Is Virat Kohli test material?

[uvelocity]

For the non aussies on here; abusing mothers and sisters isn't really done here. In some cultures it's the most cutting of insults, and of course we get upset by same. Not saying we don't say bad stuff, it's just mostly different bad stuff.

Racist would have been a much more believable story from Kohli for me.

you're ****, you're fat, you're ugly, you're a <racial taunt> sure. Your mother is a ...... very uncommon.

 

[Ruckus]

i've heard plenty of aus fans heap **** on players about being ****, but not much about their sister. and what the **** would your typical Aus fan know about Kohil's family? I find this much more believable

Yeah exactly. The vast majority of people wouldn't even know he has a sister. It just came across as so contrived as well - make a foolish gesture to the crowd, get panned by the media, so you cover yourself by resorting to about the only thing that could help save face a bit (i.e. claiming the jibes were personal insults to his family).

 

[Shri]

For the non aussies on here; abusing mothers and sisters isn't really done here. In some cultures it's the most cutting of insults, and of course we get upset by same. Not saying we don't say bad stuff, it's just mostly different bad stuff.

Racist would have been a much more believable story from Kohli for me.

you're ****, you're fat, you're ugly, you're a <racial taunt> sure. Your mother is a ...... very uncommon.

Mum insults are very common in any part of the world.

Yo ma is so fat...

guaranteed to get you punched in the face in any culture.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Mum insults are very common in any part of the world.

Yo ma is so fat...

guaranteed to get you punched in the face in any culture.

Had never heard a mother or sister being mentioned on the field till I played in India.

Even then, no-one gave a flying hoot, just all thought it was terrible sledging.

EDIT: the more I think about it, the more that I think velocity is right. The whole mother thing in Aus just doesn't get a guy ticking.

 

[smash84]

Mum insults are very common in any part of the world.

Yo ma is so fat...

guaranteed to get you punched in the face in any culture.

Aren't they supposed to be jokes

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/2743802-post1239.html

 

[Daemon]

Had never heard a mother or sister being mentioned on the field till I played in India.

Even then, no-one gave a flying hoot, just all thought it was terrible sledging.

Yeah, Indians and Pakistanis use personal insults the most from those I have played with/against.

 

[uvelocity]

edit @ shri: I don't know where you're from but I'm just trying to paint a picture. It's the truth but there is no way to offer any proof I wouldn't think. It's up to you whether you believe it's the case or not.

Your mum jokes. Or even as banter between people who know each other - "your mum is" as a retort is common. But it's light hearted. Much more likely to be called a body part or a discussion of your ***ual tendencies than to be told your sister is a prostitute in a real moment of heat, or as trying to sledge a player from the crowd.

As I said take it how you like. But it's the truth as I know it, and maybe a bit of background for others who haven't been here being that this is an international forum and all.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Yeah, Indians and Pakistanis use personal insults the most from those I have played with/against.

I'm not trying to say that Indians/whoever sledge the worst, but it's the only time where that sort of sledging (mothers and sisters, etc.) has been used regularly when I've been playing.

 

[smash84]

Hey my neighbour's pet dog's vet is a friend of Kohli's cousin and he swears that Kohli's family was abused

thought this was hilarious. Sorry benchy but I couldn't help it

edit @ shri: I don't know where you're from but I'm just trying to paint a picture. It's the truth but there is no way to offer any proof I wouldn't think. It's up to you whether you believe it's the case or not.

Your mum jokes. Or even as banter between people who know each other - "your mum is" as a retort is common. But it's light hearted. Much more likely to be called a body part or a discussion of your ***ual tendencies than to be told your sister is a prostitute in a real moment of heat, or as trying to sledge a player from the crowd.

As I said take it how you like. But it's the truth as I know it, and maybe a bit of background for others who haven't been here being that this is an international forum and all.

Didn't Zidane give somebody a headbutt because the guy said something like Zidane' mom was a whore or something? Or was it something else?

 

[uvelocity]

It's just a cultural thing. I visit asia a bit, and if someone cuts you off in traffic it's exactly the insult - your mothers a, or your sister's a. It's not the same here. All humans insult each other, we just do it different. Which is why Kolhi's "excuse" is weak.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Mother****er, sister****er, Your mother's **** ("Tere Maa Ki Chut"...the "Maa Ki" sounds like "Monkey", hence the whole Harbhajan - Symonds episode) are three of the most commonly used insults in the Hindi/Punjabi languages which Indians and Pakis share. They are used as cutting insults as well as light hearted banter.

 

[duffer]

Hey my neighbour's pet dog's vet is a friend of Kohli's cousin and he swears that Kohli's family was abused

Have a funny Virat Kohli story which happened at the Ivy last week the night after the test ended. Ended up with a mate of mine being pushed around by Virat's "minder" and getting kicked out.

 

[Daemon]

Have a funny Virat Kohli story which happened at the Ivy last week the night after the test ended. Ended up with a mate of mine being pushed around by Virat's "minder" and getting kicked out.

What happened?

And sorry benchy for being a prick

 

[Jono]

Doesn't surprise me.

Its an easy get out of jail card for him to play the family or racist card to cover up his actions

Wtf, he didn't pull the race card. And don't put that in the same boat as him crying about his family.

If he lied about them insulting his family, which Benchy is saying and he has no reason to lie, he is a downright dick. But he did not once claim he was racially abused so he isn't pulling any "race card" and he didn't do it to get out of jail for sticking up his finger.

 

[Spark]

GotSpin wasn't suggesting he was though, just making a general point.

 

[Jono]

Why mention it at all? Why lump the two together?

If he was actually racially abused and stuck his finger up I bet he wouldn't have received such criticism as he was receiving here when he was apparently just a victim of family abuse. I doubt any cricketer would falsely claim they were racially abused by the crowd to get away with sticking up their finger, because it is such a serious issue in society. Whether it should be or not, claiming racial abuse is different to claiming other insults.

 

[Ruckus]

Pretty sure GotSpin was lumping them together because they are both the two obvious ways to reverse the blame (i.e. they are both personal, sensitive issues that make it seem like his actions were more justified).

 

[uvelocity]

awta. both would be crossing the line, but calling him a **** cricketer or an ugly **** would not.

 

[Jono]

Most people here didn't think what Kohli suggested was said was crossing the line at all. Didn't seem that way anyway.

If Kohli was racially abused and then stuck his finger up people would not have said "oh he's a professional athlete and needs to learn to take it", but when he said his sister was insulted or whatever people were saying he should harden up, get used to it etc.

 

[Ruckus]

I think a professional athlete should be able to turn the other cheek no matter what is said to them, whether that be racist ****, stuff about your relatives or whatever. The fact is absolutely nothing said by some random drunk people in the crowd should be that insulting to you. You have to have a pretty big ego to let yourself be affected by that kind of stuff I reckon.