Is there a team that can beat this Asian ODI XI?

[TheJediBrah]

No spinner is mental. Would still play Warne.

Think Hussey, Hayden or Ponting can find a way in. Dean Jones is questionable.

Starc > Lee for me.

Watson is the one who should be in there. Maybe Symonds too.

I would pick either of those 2 over Ponting, Hussey or even Hayden.

I would pick Hogg over Warne too. Hogg was better against Asian sides from memory and is a way better fielder and batsman.

And yes obviously ABdV should be one of the first picked Bairstow is a joke haha

 

[Burgey]

I'm glad we're all agreed Migara should be charged with a crime.

Ooh check out Mr Statist over here.

 

[Mike5181]

1. Adam Gilchrist+
2. Viv Richards
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Michael Bevan
5. Michael Hussey
6. AB de Villiers
7. Shane Watson
8. Richard Hadlee
9. Shane Warne
10. Joel Garner
11. Glenn McGrath

 

[Gob]

Sanga is a no no for me

Tendulkar
Jayasuriya
Kohli
De Silva
Babar
Dhoni c
Kapil
Wasim
Waqar
Shaoib
Murali

For non subs

Gilchrist
Watson
Ponting
Richards c
DeVilliers
Symonds
Bevan
Warne
Lee
Bond
McGrath

There are too many Australians there but honestly can't leave many. Maybe should do a ROW without Aust players

Gayle
Bairstow wk
Gibbs
Richards c
Lara
Stokes
Klusner
Pollock
Vettori
Garner
Bond

 

[TheJediBrah]

Asian XI
Aus XI
Rest XI

would be a competitive Tri-series

 

[ankitj]

Non subcontinent XI:

1. Adam Gilchrist +
2. Gordon Greenidge
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Viv Richards *
5. Michael Bevan
6. AB de Villiers
7. Andrew Flintoff
8. Richard Hadlee
9. Shane Warne
10. Joel Garner
11. Glenn McGrath

Edit: Swapped Watson for Flintoff

 

[Himannv]

There are too many Australians there but honestly can't leave many. Maybe should do a ROW without Aust players

Gayle
Bairstow wk
Gibbs
Richards c
Lara
Stokes
Klusner
Pollock
Vettori
Garner
Bond

de Villiers

 

[Coronis]

There are too many Australians there but honestly can't leave many. Maybe should do a ROW without Aust players

Gayle
Bairstow wk
Gibbs
Richards c
Lara
Stokes
Klusner
Pollock
Vettori
Garner
Bond

Forgetting someone again, just cos he was so talented doesn’t make him an Aussie

 

[Prince EWS]

Forgetting someone again, just cos he was so talented doesn’t make him an Aussie

He probably just wants to shank Migara in prison.

 

[Gob]

ffs

 

[Howe_zat]

I’m surprised that Jos Buttler hasn’t got a gig in any of these non-Asian sides, especially since Bairstow has

 

[Burgey]

I'd have thought Dessie Haynes would be a shot at the non-SC XI here. Bloke had a very good ODI record as an opener considering the era he played. Strike rate is low by modern standards but not for his time. Great players always adapt anyway.

The SC team will take a lot of beating in any event. Agree Zaheer Abbas should be in there for sure. Aravinda a personal fave so would somehow find his way in if I was picking it too. I think it's too soon for Babar to make it, though he's sure on the right trajectory. Would exclude Bumrah for the same reason, much as I rate him.

Tendulkar
Jayasuriya
Zaheer
Kohli
Aravinda
Dhoni
Kapil
Wasim
Saqlain (if two spinners warranted)
Murali
Waqar

Bit of an out there selection, but if I wasn't gonna play Saqlain I'd bat Abdul Razzaq at eight and slide the others down the order. I know he probably doesn't warrant selection in either discipline alone, but I always rated him and he and Jayasuria getting through ten between them works pretty well imho.

The non-SC team would likely be dominated by WI of the 70s/ 80s and Aus of the 2000s, and that's probably fair enough.

Gilchrist
Haynes/ Watson
Viv
Ponting
Bevan
ABdV
Hussey/ Watson
Hadlee
Warne
Garner
McGrath

Watson somewhere there as your fifth bowler with some offies from Viv and left arm stuff from Bevan as well. On balance I'd probably go for Watson up front with Gilly though I think he's a little over rated here as a LO player. Terrific and all but not sure he's an all timer. Hadlee at eight gives the batting a decent amount of depth, mind you so would Kluesener in that role, though of course he isn't the bowler Paddles was.

Good thread this, btw.

Edit: Christ, I realized I left out Lara. He'd have to be there somewhere you'd think. Maybe opening, with Watson then down the order cos I want someone who's a decent fifth bowler rather than ten of part time stuff.

 

[Burgey]

I’m surprised that Jos Buttler hasn’t got a gig in any of these non-Asian sides, especially since Bairstow has

Yeah he's well in the discussion you'd think. Probably disadvantaged by being up against Gilly for the keeping role, but like Babar and Bumrah, well in the argument if he finishes up as he's going right now.

 

[anil1405]

I’m surprised that Jos Buttler hasn’t got a gig in any of these non-Asian sides, especially since Bairstow has

Maybe because Gilchrist is a lock and there is a need for an AR at 6 or 7.

Bairstow being mentioned is nothing short of a joke.

 

[Xuhaib]

I think cricket is reaching the point where the limited over greats have shifted towards the subcontinent.

I came up with the below ODI XI from the Asian countries:

Tendulkar
Rohit
Sanga
Kohli
Babar
Dhoni (c)
Imran Khan
Kapil
Wasim
Waqar
Murali

12th man: Shakib ul Hassan

Tendulkar, Kohli and Wasim are locks for an all-time ODI XI, while Rohit, Dhoni, Kapil and Murali are near-locks. I chose Imran and Kapil as ODIs allows for more than one all-rounder. Dhoni is the best ODI captain of all-time IMO.

Imran is underrated to me, his averages are misleading, majority of his career he was a worldclass pacer averaging 22/23 and a capable 27/28 with the bat.

Babar to me will comfortably end up in the top five limited over Asian bats, but I would replace him with Zaheer if current players are not allowed.

Bumrah may end up replacing Waqar as his career progresses.

12th man will be Shakib ul Hassan who can play instead of Imran or Kapil on spinning wickets.

Question is if there is a Rest of the World XI that can beat this one.

I would not have Babar odi records post 2015 I find difficult to rate would like someone like Yuvraj one of the most impact odi batsman ever.
Jayasuriya in place of Rohit I will not mind aswell

 

[Burgey]

Oh yeah Yuvraj certainly worth a shout too. Awesome LO player

 

[subshakerz]

I'd have thought Dessie Haynes would be a shot at the non-SC XI here. Bloke had a very good ODI record as an opener considering the era he played. Strike rate is low by modern standards but not for his time. Great players always adapt anyway.

The SC team will take a lot of beating in any event. Agree Zaheer Abbas should be in there for sure. Aravinda a personal fave so would somehow find his way in if I was picking it too. I think it's too soon for Babar to make it, though he's sure on the right trajectory. Would exclude Bumrah for the same reason, much as I rate him.

Tendulkar
Jayasuriya
Zaheer
Kohli
Aravinda
Dhoni
Kapil
Wasim
Saqlain (if two spinners warranted)
Murali
Waqar

Bit of an out there selection, but if I wasn't gonna play Saqlain I'd bat Abdul Razzaq at eight and slide the others down the order. I know he probably doesn't warrant selection in either discipline alone, but I always rated him and he and Jayasuria getting through ten between them works pretty well imho.

The non-SC team would likely be dominated by WI of the 70s/ 80s and Aus of the 2000s, and that's probably fair enough.

Gilchrist
Haynes/ Watson
Viv
Ponting
Bevan
ABdV
Hussey/ Watson
Hadlee
Warne
Garner
McGrath

Watson somewhere there as your fifth bowler with some offies from Viv and left arm stuff from Bevan as well. On balance I'd probably go for Watson up front with Gilly though I think he's a little over rated here as a LO player. Terrific and all but not sure he's an all timer. Hadlee at eight gives the batting a decent amount of depth, mind you so would Kluesener in that role, though of course he isn't the bowler Paddles was.

Good thread this, btw.

Edit: Christ, I realized I left out Lara. He'd have to be there somewhere you'd think. Maybe opening, with Watson then down the order cos I want someone who's a decent fifth bowler rather than ten of part time stuff.

Good selections. However, if you are going to consider Razzaq, then Imran should definitely be there.

I can't help but think that Imran Khan as an ODI player is perennially underrated for some odd reason. Uptil 1989, basically around 75% percent of his career, he basically was worldclass as a bowler and averaged 30 odd with the bat. He did well in the 83 and 87 World Cups.

Imran's last three years he did well with the bat but fell away as a bowler. But he still ended up averaging 26 with the ball and 33 with the bat which makes him one of the best all-rounders in ODI history.

To me, he is a lock in an Asian all-time XI.

Also definitely think Shakib ul Hasan should be in the conversation.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah, decent shouts too ofc. Spoiled for choice here. It's good having a couple of teams to pick though, opens up so many more options for discussion

 

[subshakerz]

I would not have Babar odi records post 2015 I find difficult to rate would like someone like Yuvraj one of the most impact odi batsman ever.
Jayasuriya in place of Rohit I will not mind aswell

Yuvraj should be averaging higher for a middle order bat IMO, especially considering the era he played in.

 

[honestbharani]

The thing about ODI ratings, ATG discussions and AT XI selections is the fact that more than any other format of the game, this one requires such immense contextualization given how different the rules and conditions have been across different eras. I myself have seen 4 now and there must have at least 2 more before 1990 or so.

My Asian ODI XI would be -

Sachin
Saeed Anwar
Virat
Zaheer / Miandad
Shakib
MSD (c)
Afridi / Razzaq
Kapil
Wasim
Waqar
Murali


Afridi is my wildcard pick here (I like Burgey's suggestion of Razzaq too) because I think he just adds more to the side. Maybe Razzaq in SENA conditions and Afridi elsewhere. I think the other 10 are good enough to warrant a wildcard pick and if it were to be a hypothetical team, I think the balance is far better this way. Also, Saeed Anwar is bloody underrated. It was a close call but once I knew Shakib was the #5, I didn't think we will need the SLA option of Sanath and I feel Saeed is more likely to perform across all conditions.


The RoW XI -

Watson
Lara
Viv
Ponting
AB (wk) / Buttler (wk)
Bevan
Hussey
Warne
Starc
Bond
Garner


Bevan and Viv being the 2nd and 3rd spinners is not promising but otherwise its as well rounded a side as I could pick. The variations and variety of the bowling attacks of both sides is a mouth watering prospect.