How convenient that you can use sport to cleanse those who 'cheat for their country'. Both drug takers and match fixers get ahead for themselves (and nevermind the pathos) by screwing other participants in the game. One group screws their opponents, the other one screws their team mates.
Nah not really. Ruining the sport's integrity is just a small part of what Cronje did. Personally I think he's worse.
Don't you think that it's more despicable to stab someone in the back than in the front?
Indeed. Tthe way UC presented it(Please Correct me If I am wrong) , it appeared as if Cronje specifically picked out the Gibbs and Henry because of their color, and that is where I thought it was his (UC's) assumptions and imaginations than actual facts.
It's how it was presented at the tribunal. It's thought that on another team meeting he suggested it to the team and they voted against it. The idea that Cronje selected Gibbs and Henry was the notion that the tribunal tried to put out, whether it's true or not is largely irrelevant because the social consequence is the same. Surely you can see what the social consequences are of a hugely respected white captain of a post-apartheid national team admitting to implicating two young coloured players in a match-fixing scandal, in a country still recovering from years of prejudice? This is what he was largely seen to do. Saying "ah well he tried to corrupt a lot of other players too" doesn't justify it.
So apart from Ruining the integrity of the sport, what else Cronje did ?
I am sorry but I dont see anything except for conspiracy theory.
There's no conspiracy. How can't you see how bad it looks when a hugely respected white captain is seen to implicate two coloured players in a match-fixing scandal in a country that had been segregated racially for years beforehand?
The extent of the consequences outside of cricket can be debated for sure, but they certainly existed. Not everyone "does not see them as White & Black", especially not in SA where they still have quotas and the like.
I think it's wrong to stab someone. Front or back, does it matter? Moral relativism of this sort can't lead to an acceptable result.
I personally find it more morally repulsive to screw over your friends than to screw over your enemies. But that's a matter of opinion i suppose.
It was merely a continuation of the stabbing metaphor.
Thanks for that, Frans.
First of all, no one here has seen the movie yet, but most have seen fit to trash it. Conclusion? None of you know what you're talking about.
Secondly, synopsis means "a BRIEF summary of the plot, etc."
As no one has seen the movie yet, why presume the whole truth isn't shown?
And third, he tried corrupting ALL the players, not just those of color. It was only them who fell for it.
You may all now trash me, I'll be in good company.
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What about the option where someone has done both i.e. Sold Out to a bookmaker AND used performance enhancing drugs.
Hear hear
My point was not whether it makes you feel worse, which admittedly it does if your chum sells your colours down the river. My point was that the ethical imbalance between cheating your team mates and cheating the opposition is not quite as massive as ss makes it out to be.