Gilchrist calls Tendulkar a "Bad Sport"

[G.I.Joe]

And despite all his rivalries with India he netted the highest foreign paypacket, not just because he's a great limited overs player but because of his profile, which was taken into account in the first round of bidding. There's no way Gilchrist's IPL contract will be affected in any way if it had no impact on Symonds.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Gilchrist's IPL packet would be affected by this. What I meant was that we should give a lot of credit to Symonds the player. I don't buy the bit about his supposed villainous profile jacking up his final price. Considering the Chargers went for Gilchrist, Afridi, Gibbs too, Symonds was a natural fit into their plans for an attacking top order. Besides, he had just had a very successful ODI tour of India which would definitely have influenced the management at Deccan.

 

[Richard]

Haha, Afridi and Gibbs have had plenty of questions legitimately asked of them too. They've truly got a bad-boy top-order there!

 

[pasag]

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Gilchrist's IPL packet would be affected by this. What I meant was that we should give a lot of credit to Symonds the player. I don't buy the bit about his supposed villainous profile jacking up his final price. Considering the Chargers went for Gilchrist, Afridi, Gibbs too, Symonds was a natural fit into their plans for an attacking top order. Besides, he had just had a very successful ODI tour of India which would definitely have influenced the management at Deccan.

It played a major role obviously, but the profile of the players and the marketing aspect played a huge part as well, especially with the prices paid.

 

[G.I.Joe]

It played a major role obviously, but the profile of the players and the marketing aspect played a huge part as well, especially with the prices paid.

But then they never played up his bad boy image in the media. Surely they would have tried to capitalise on that if that was partly their intention. On the whole the Deccan advertising campaign went along the lines of less talk and more action.

 

[Sanz]

what a complete tug hole Harby is

My friend, These are not the best times to bring out that Aussie Hat from closet.

 

[Sanz]

I must say, If anyone come out looking absolutely bad (at least for subcontinent fans), it is Gilchrist. Even Harbhajan's comments against him are being defended here, earlier noone would have cared about that. And here is the main thing that comes out in open, I am sure many fans and cricketers feel(or have felt) that way :-


"He pretends to be a saint and people say he walks when he nicks, but why did he appeal when batsmen don't nick? He always changes his mind according to a situation. If Australia is close to a victory he is always going up [appealing], whether it is out or not out."

 

[Bracken]

"He pretends to be a saint and people say he walks when he nicks, but why did he appeal when batsmen don't nick? He always changes his mind according to a situation. If Australia is close to a victory he is always going up [appealing], whether it is out or not out."

Say what you want about Harbhajan, but through all of his troubles this year, he has certainly retained a fine sense of comedic irony.

 

[pup11]

Symmo 'walking' in Sydney would have silenced critics: Gilly

Its official now that Gilly has gone mad, now Symmo is the one his radar, he believes that Symonds not walking when he nicked the ball from Ishant during the SCG test was against the spirit of the game, ffs if you feel like walking you should walk, but you can't expect the others to do the same, and on top of this he also says, that he was not very comfortable with the fact that Symonds later admitted that he nicked it during the pc.

 

[Richard]

Let's be fair, I fail to see how any self-respecting cricket watcher can not cringe at someone saying "yeah I should've been out but I prefer being not-out to being out, so I try to get away with everything I can" which is essentially what Symonds did.

 

[Top_Cat]

Let's be fair, I fail to see how any self-respecting cricket watcher can not cringe at someone saying "yeah I should've been out but I prefer being not-out to being out, so I try to get away with everything I can" which is essentially what Symonds did.

That's one perspective. Equally defensible is 'the umpire has a job to do and I abide by the decision whether it goes my way or not'.

 

[Uppercut]

Let's be fair, I fail to see how any self-respecting cricket watcher can not cringe at someone saying "yeah I should've been out but I prefer being not-out to being out, so I try to get away with everything I can" which is essentially what Symonds did.

Aye, but he just put it badly. Think of Atherton after the Allan Donald incident- "i'm not a walker, never have been, and i make no apology for that". He even gave Donald the glove it hit him on, signed on the big red mark the ball left when it hit.

Atherton's attitude was the same as Symonds, but i don't remember him getting anywhere near the amount of abuse Symonds has. Although Atherton is far more likeable in general, so i guess that's only natural.

 

[BoyBrumby]

That's one perspective. Equally defensible is 'the umpire has a job to do and I abide by the decision whether it goes my way or not'.

Quite. Walking is admirable, but there's no requirement in the laws (or, indeed the spirit IMHO) of cricket for a batsman to walk.

 

[four_or_six]

The same article also says "... Most cricketers believed, which was that good and bad decision even out over time, the umpire had job to do, and you had to ride your luck," extracts of his autobiography say"

I think this is perfectly okay really... and hopefully this issue will fade out with replays. In this particular case, it seems that Symonds main crime is being less eloquent than the majority of his teammates in the press conference at the end of the day.

 

[pasag]

So over this book.

 

[Richard]

That's one perspective. Equally defensible is 'the umpire has a job to do and I abide by the decision whether it goes my way or not'.

It'd be less not-all-right if no-one ever complained about an Umpire's decision when they went against them, but they all do. Very often.

Non-walkers are poorer than walkers IMO. People who try to wring every last drop to make themselves look better than they are.

 

[Richard]

Aye, but he just put it badly. Think of Atherton after the Allan Donald incident- "i'm not a walker, never have been, and i make no apology for that". He even gave Donald the glove it hit him on, signed on the big red mark the ball left when it hit.

Atherton's attitude was the same as Symonds, but i don't remember him getting anywhere near the amount of abuse Symonds has. Although Atherton is far more likeable in general, so i guess that's only natural.

It always disappointed me, I suppose, even though I only really gave the to-walk-or-not-to-walk question real consideration towards the very end of Atherton's career.

But yeah, non-walkers are all the same. I don't see it, and never will, as doing anything other than trying to get around the laws by less foul means than some, and make yourself look a better player than you actually are. The comparisons to speeding are silly - most people (myself included) are people who only speed because speed-restrictions are ridiculously low. I never break a speed-limit which is in place for good reason (well, unless I've got a damn good reason - eg I'm driving someone to hospital who's haemorraging blood on the back seat), and anyone who does just because "ooo, I'm so 'ard, I break speed-limits" is a dickhead of the highest order.

I happen to think the "if you hit the ball in the air to a fielder, you're out" rule is a perfectly good one which no-one has any right to try and get around. Ever.

 

[G.I.Joe]

So, can Symonds expect a phone call any time soon?

 

[Top_Cat]

So, can Symonds expect a phone call any time soon?

Doubt it. In the same way that Gilchrist was made very aware after tha 2003 WC SF of his team-mates' attitudes towards walking, I'd say Symonds wouldn't be under any illusions about Gilchrist's.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Doubt it. In the same way that Gilchrist was made very aware after tha 2003 WC SF of his team-mates' attitudes towards walking, I'd say Symonds wouldn't be under any illusions about Gilchrist's.

Ah well, unless Symonds carries a cellphone, wouldn't have been possible to reach him anyway

 

[social]

At least Symonds is consistent - everything is up to the umpire

I, for one, found his attitude towards the Sydney episode refreshing - better than the others who stand there after receiving the benefit of a shocker and continue to deny it later