Future ****Stars**** of Australian Cricket

[aussie]

aussie

Oh my God, that's all one sentence!

whats ur point mate

 

[Mr Casson]

whats ur point mate

Exactly... couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[garage flower]

Bowling in the 120s isn't good enough at test level and that was the reason that India punished him.

His problem against India was that he didn't swing the ball. Pedro Collins was very effective against Australia - albeit in 1-dayers - bowling left-arm swing at around 128-130kph. If it's accurate and you can mix the in-swing with balls angling across the right handers, it should be reasonably effective at any level.

 

[Richard]

matthew innes, like nathan bracken, is a disgrace to the left armer club. i dont care how many first class wickets or watever the two pie throwers have done, but a true left armer doesnt bowl tripe like either of them. wasim, allan davidson, mullally, sobers, now there are true left arm exponents, bamboozling players with late inswing and deft seam movement away to slips. bracken doesnt know how to and IMO will never "regain" that ability to swing the ball back into the right handers, because his action has been rooted since his days when on contract for bankstown green shield. innes is the same, his action is rooted and all he can do is drift the ball from leg stump onto the pads n get smacked to the fence, like i saw him one day in an ing cup match against the canberra comets. these two are pitiful and im tired of hearing about how they should be playing for australia or any other test nation if theyu could. we saw how tendulkar n sehwag tore bracken apart when they came out here in 2003/04, he cant bowl wit the old ball and tendulkar showed why he should go back and play with balmain n get msacked around by 15 yr olds till he learns to master the art of left arm swing bowling!

OK... Alan Mullally as good as Inness, let alone Davidson and Wasim Akram...
Alan Mullally, funnily, is exactly the same as Bracken (and Charl Willoughby, too, for that matter) in that he can swing the ball round corners at the domestic level but somehow never really managed to in Tests. And hence he was very, very disappointing.
Superb ODI bowler, of course.

 

[Richard]

Have you seen him bowl. I think he shows some promise and has had a good season getting 45 wickets at 29, something Inness hasn't done for a while. There would be no doubt that Griffith would be ahead of Inness in the pecking order of fast bowlers at the moment.

Inness needs to improve enough just to get into the Victorian side on a more regular basis before he can come into calculations of playing test cricket. Maybe he should go to England where he could easily make a county side.

Anyone, but anyone, would be delighted to have him... and I certainly wouldn't turn-down the chance for him to be playing for England in 4 years, either.
As for Griffith - wow, he got 45 wickets. Sorry - the 29 is the relevant figure.
It's far better to get 30 wickets at 25 than 45 at 29.
How on Earth he managed to get an average under 30 is amazing enough.

 

[Richard]

I wouldn't call taking less than 3 wickets a match setting the house on fire. During that season he was outbowled by 3 other Victorian bowlers - McDonald, Wise and Lewis.

And being outbowled by McDonald and Wise says something.
How on Earth they can ever outbowl anyone is beyond me.

 

[Richard]

I agree that everyone takes silence for assent, but if i want to post let me what r u goin to do, i dont see anyone else aggravating over this mate, u need calm down and please dont let us now get carried away with no stupid arguement with here to talk cricket so lets keep it that way

It's just stupidly predictable whenever I see a long post that has just argued with me being quoted by you I know exactly what your response is going to say.
There's no need for it.

 

[Richard]

Have you seen either of them bowl?

I've seen Griffith's action, and I've seen Inness bowl in a whole game 4 or 5 times.

 

[Richard]

matthew inness' problems have stemmed from when he got injured and then had glandular fever during the 2003/04 season, after running through the indian batting order. his replacement allan wise came in and did exceedingly well, and since then inness hasn't had a solid run in the team, coupled with the disgruntlement he showed for being dropped for the pura cup final, when they brought in brendan joseland (a batting all-rounder) to ensure that they wouldn't be bowled out twice, which was the only way they could lose. and when he has he returned to the side he has not looked nearly as threatening as what he was beforehand. hopefully he can have a fantastic year next year, either with victoria or interstate, as he's only 26-27 from memory.

Indeed, I've been saying all year that this "not good enough any more" stuff is a quite stupid exaggeration, when all it's been is an exceptionally unfortunate combination of circumstances.

 

[marc71178]

It's far better to get 30 wickets at 25 than 45 at 29.

And there was me thinking a team didn't win matches without taking 20 wickets.

 

[Richard]

They don't - nor do they win them by taking 20 for 800.

 

[marc71178]

An average of 29 wouldn't give 800

 

[age_master]

I've seen Griffith's action, and I've seen Inness bowl in a whole game 4 or 5 times.

when? i didn't know you got ING cup matches in england

 

[age_master]

An average of 29 wouldn't give 800

indeed, i would say 580 is quite a reasonable effort in a test, as a very loose general rule.

 

[Richard]

An average of 29 wouldn't give 800

Nope, but as you know a team of bowlers averaging 29 will regularly concede 600 or so, which, also, won't win that many matches.
400 followed by 200, or so. And it'll be more than that sometimes, less on others.

 

[Richard]

when? i didn't know you got ING cup matches in england

We don't get them live. We do, however, see very brief bits and pieces, including from Australian domestic games.

 

[marc71178]

Nope, but as you know a team of bowlers averaging 29 will regularly concede 600 or so, which, also, won't win that many matches.

Firstly I don't know that.

Secondly a side scoring 600 over 2 innings won't win many games at all.

 

[social]

Anyone, but anyone, would be delighted to have him... and I certainly wouldn't turn-down the chance for him to be playing for England in 4 years, either.
As for Griffith - wow, he got 45 wickets. Sorry - the 29 is the relevant figure.
It's far better to get 30 wickets at 25 than 45 at 29.
How on Earth he managed to get an average under 30 is amazing enough.

Very good figures considering that he plays half his games at Bellerive Oval.

 

[age_master]

definatley

 

[Neil Pickup]

Very good figures considering that he plays half his games at Bellerive Oval.

Tassie seamer Griffiths? Coming to play as pro at Bacup (dad's side of the family's home town) in the Lancashire League this summer... maybe I'll be able to catch a look.