Forgotten Players

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

What's up with Graeme Swann? Decent domestic record and yet completely ignored since he toured South Africa (?) a few years back.

 

[dinu23]

I think he's in the selectors mind. he toured SL with the England A team, so did O shah.

 

[howardj]

What ever happened to Adrian Griffith? Surely the most awkward looking batsman ever to play Test Cricket, and one of the worst to come out of West Indies cricket.

 

[Tastigersfan]

Ed Smith
Ian Blackwell (scored a big hundred today)
James Kirtley
Chris Schofield
Richard Johnson (injury ridden)
Rikki Clarke
James Troughton (suposed to be the next big thing)
Anthony McGrath
Richard Dawson (good season last year)
Owais Shah

to name a few

Their is a rumour going around that James Kirtley has sent videos of his action to the pro baseball clubs in the US and Japan and they were most impressed with his pitching action against South Africa a couple of years ago.

 

[Langeveldt]

On the batters paradise at taunton. Don't know what to make of him when he scores like this, i immediately think s*ite bowling.

It was a batters paradise, with short boundaries, although the bowling was okay, and he said himself it was better than he expected to me (although he would)... I'd say it was worth a slower 100 against a good county attack

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

What ever happened to Adrian Griffith? Surely the most awkward looking batsman ever to play Test Cricket, and one of the worst to come out of West Indies cricket.

He played very well in New Zealand, so that's extremely unfair. Adrian Griffith will always be criticized as a poor player because he of how he looked at the crease combined with his lack of runs in Tests. For example, Chanderpaul could score a million runs at domestic level, but if he averaged in the mid20s in Tests, he would probably be called a terrible batsman.

 

[marc71178]

I think he's in the selectors mind. he toured SL with the England A team, so did O shah.

I can't see Shah getting in the England team in the near future to be honest.

 

[Langeveldt]

Adrian Griffith will always be criticized as a poor player because he of how he looked at the crease combined with his lack of runs

Sorry thats going in my sig... Hahaha

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Sorry thats going in my sig... Hahaha

Stick "in Tests" in there at the end and I think I've got a point. Can't help the pedantry though.

Oh, and you do not want to start the whole "I'll quote you in my sig" thing with me. You have been warned.

 

[Langeveldt]

Stick "in Tests" in there at the end and I think I've got a point. Can't help the pedantry though.

Oh, and you do not want to start the whole "I'll quote you in my sig" thing with me. You have been warned.

Hehe, why not Liam..

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Hehe, why not Liam..

The downside of my plot for revenge is that I now have to read the majority of your posts...

I'm rather proud of the quote actually. Not only is it ingenuity in wit and sarcasm (albeit a typo), but I'm now one of the most popular names on the forum.

 

[chaminda_00]

I can't see Shah getting in the England team in the near future to be honest.

Maybe not the Test side but i can see him getting into the ODI side if some players don't step up and he has a good season in the National League.

 

[howardj]

He played very well in New Zealand, so that's extremely unfair. Adrian Griffith will always be criticized as a poor player because he of how he looked at the crease combined with his lack of runs in Tests

Yeah, lack of runs does generally mean that you're a poor player!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Yeah, lack of runs does generally mean that you're a poor player!

No, lack of Test runs means you failed at Test level. Graeme Hick was by no means a poor player. Daren Ganga is not a poor player. They're Test failures, but not at all poor batsmen.

 

[howardj]

No, lack of Test runs means you failed at Test level. Graeme Hick was by no means a poor player. Daren Ganga is not a poor player. They're Test failures, but not at all poor batsmen.

Obviously it depends on the yardstick one uses. I mostly watch international cricket, and judge players according to how they perform on that stage. You could go on forever....a player who fails in English FC cricket, but kicks butt in League cricket, is not necessarily a bad batsman, but just a failure at FC level.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Obviously it depends on the yardstick one uses. I mostly watch international cricket, and judge players according to how they perform on that stage. You could go on forever....a player who fails in English FC cricket, but kicks butt in League cricket, is not necessarily a bad batsman, but just a failure at FC level.

A batsman such as Adrian Griffith (and Hick and Ganga for that matter) have shown what they can do (positives) at the highest level though. They may not have shown it consistently, but the evidence was there on occasion. That, in my mind, proves such players CAN bat. They just don't always do so.

 

[howardj]

A batsman such as Adrian Griffith (and Hick and Ganga for that matter) have shown what they can do (positives) at the highest level though. They may not have shown it consistently, but the evidence was there on occasion. That, in my mind, proves such players CAN bat. They just don't always do so.

Yeah, it proves they can bat, but still they are poor players, in the context of Test cricket, which - as I stated above - is the yardstick I (and quite a few other casual observers) use to judge players.

Granted, you do have to be extraordinary to reach that level and post even one decent score. However, if you average below 35, you are, on balance, in the context of Test cricket, a poor player.

 

[cameeel]

greg blewett

 

[marc71178]

Maybe not the Test side but i can see him getting into the ODI side if some players don't step up and he has a good season in the National League.

Where exactly would he fit in?

6 batsmen - Trescothick, Strauss, Vaughan, Pietersen, Flintoff, Collingwood then a keeper.

 

[chaminda_00]

Where exactly would he fit in?

6 batsmen - Trescothick, Strauss, Vaughan, Pietersen, Flintoff, Collingwood then a keeper.

Collingwood and Vaughan aren't that much infront of him, if Vaughan up to playing ODI then i'll eat my computer. The guy is useless in that form, if it wasn't for his captaincy he would and should have been dropped a long time ago.