CW Ranks Top 25 Batsmen of All Time (Version 2010)

[BoyBrumby]

1) BC Lara (3 points)
2) KS Ranjitsinhji (2 points)
3) EDC Weekes (1 point)

 

[Athlai]

CW Team

Hobbs
Hammond (+)
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Hadlee
Marshall
Barnes
Murali
McGrath

Mild apologies to Hammond for being made to both open and keep despite only doing this for short periods of his career. Or conversely you could wait for a keeper to pop up and take McGrath out of the time.

 

[silentstriker]

take McGrath out of the time.

 

[Athlai]

Lowest ranked bowler.

 

[honestbharani]

Well, I am not changing the rules, because:

1. I myself am convinced that it is fair.
2. I don't find any point in ranking two players at the same position, lessens the fun element associated with the thread. There should be 25 different batsmen in 25 different ranks. Otherwise, we can be politically correct like we are and say that about 10 batsmen after Bradman are of about same status, rank them together, and chuck the idea of the thread.
3. We've moved a long way after Hadlee-Murali and Hammond-Lara tug of war. Changing the rules will mean re-taking the votes for this round, not worth it.
4. Strategic voting should be a part of this thread. Keep editing your votes whenever you want, to serve any purpose. Adds to the fun element, again.
5. I shall not be changing my votes if it's not a tie. If I wanted, I could easily change the rankings by editing my votes in the end of every round (yes, that would have been possible mathematically except in some cases like Bradman). I shall edit my votes only to break a tie, because as I said, I don't want two players at the same position.
6. It is my thread. I'll do the way I want

Sorry.. is this CW's ranking or weldone's ranking? Why are you the only one allowed to change votes? CW voted Lara and Hammond both as #6.. If you want to be fair, put it on a tie breaker and ask CW to choose between the two... Right now, this is just weldone's top 25 and that is just stupid coz you are masquerading this as some sort of representative thing of how CW voted, when it is obviously not, at this point...


And if this is your thread, don't call it CW's top 25....

 

[weldone]

Why are you the only one allowed to change votes? CW voted Lara and Hammond both as #6.. If you want to be fair, put it on a tie breaker and ask CW to choose between the two

Not only me, everybody is allowed to change votes...and more importantly, they can change votes anytime before I declare the results.

No, CW didn't vote both Lara and Hammond as #6, they voted Hammond ahead by 1 point.

If you don't understand this then you are dumb enough and have no idea about fairness.

 

[marc71178]

Actually it's you that has no idea about fairness.

At the closing point, there was a draw - therefore the fair result is a draw.

 

[Athlai]

You adjusting your vote alters how people may have voted in the process, if you had voted the way you ended up voting there is a chance someone else would have voted differently. So either you hold back your vote for the end, let the people be tied on the rankings or wait for a tie breaker, anything else isn't representative of CW's rankings.

 

[Prince EWS]

It really isn't a particularly fair way of doing it, but the fact of the matter is - there isn't a fair way of doing it, and I agree with weldone that having players equal on a number ranking isn't at all desirable. Everyone is free to change their votes at any time if they want to manipulate it, and while I think that's pretty dire, it's not "unfair" as such as to give weldone an advantage.

There's really no point squabbling over the difference between equal sixth and seventh, and without wanting to start something up I doubt certain people in this thread would be screaming as loudly if it wasn't one of their favourites on the 'losing' end.

 

[weldone]

Actually it's you that has no idea about fairness.

At the closing point, there was a draw - therefore the fair result is a draw.

No, it's you.

What was the closing point, btw? As per my understanding, closing point is when I declare the results. There was certainly not a draw at that point of time.

5 fools together aren't as intelligent as an intelligent person, btw

 

[weldone]

Right now, this is just weldone's top 25

Well, my top 5 would have been Bradman, Hobbs, Sobers, Hutton, Hammond.

I wish!

 

[marc71178]

No, it's you.

What was the closing point, btw? As per my understanding, closing point is when I declare the results. There was certainly not a draw at that point of time.

5 fools together aren't as intelligent as an intelligent person, btw

The closing point is when you close it, however you then changed your votes after closing it without giving anyone else the chance to change theirs (since you'd counted up the votes at the closing point and discovered a tie)

 

[Matt79]

Let's just move on hey. Pity for this thread to get stuck on something like this. Weldone - one solution people running polls have done is not not vote themselves until right before they close the round. Let's you help avoid stalemates, without having the awkwardness of changing your vote.

 

[weldone]

Let's just move on hey. Pity for this thread to get stuck on something like this. Weldone - one solution people running polls have done is not not vote themselves until right before they close the round. Let's you help avoid stalemates, without having the awkwardness of changing your vote.

Lovely solution. OK, I shall be the last person to vote starting from the next round. Solves the problem. In that way, I won't have to edit my vote

By the way, editing votes will remain legal for others.

End of problem. Dot.

 

[Altaican]

Lovely solution. OK, I shall be the last person to vote starting from the next round. Solves the problem. In that way, I won't have to edit my vote

By the way, editing votes will remain legal for others.

End of problem. Dot.

The basic problem is that you changed your own vote (after you realized there was a tie, just to break the tie between the two) without giving others a chance to change their vote or to vote between the two said batsmen. Any one with basic common sense would realize that it was not the right/fair thing to do. Honestly it ruined a very interesting thread.

Do you close the votes after a fixed number of votes or just randomly when you think enough number have voted? If it is the latter, it adds all the more doubt to the fairness. IMO, the best way is to close the contest after a fixed number of people have voted (say the first 30 or 40, you can make the call). Apologize if you are already doing this. In case of a tie, just ask to choose between the 2 again (again for a fixed number of votes).

 

[Matt79]

Jeez, more drama in here than an episode of Days of our Lives. Let's just talk cricket hey?

 

[jaideep]

The basic problem is that you changed your own vote (after you realized there was a tie, just to break the tie between the two) without giving others a chance to change their vote or to vote between the two said batsmen. Any one with basic common sense would realize that it was not the right/fair thing to do. Honestly it ruined a very interesting thread.

Do you close the votes after a fixed number of votes or just randomly when you think enough number have voted? If it is the latter, it adds all the more doubt to the fairness. IMO, the best way is to close the contest after a fixed number of people have voted (say the first 30 or 40, you can make the call). Apologize if you are already doing this. In case of a tie, just ask to choose between the 2 again (again for a fixed number of votes).

I have started a poll between lara and hammond and i think it will be fair if the winner of that poll takes the 6th position and the other would take the 7th.

 

[weldone]

Do you close the votes after a fixed number of votes or just randomly when you think enough number have voted? If it is the latter, it adds all the more doubt to the fairness. IMO, the best way is to close the contest after a fixed number of people have voted (say the first 30 or 40, you can make the call). Apologize if you are already doing this. In case of a tie, just ask to choose between the 2 again (again for a fixed number of votes).

Do you have the patience of going through the first of a thread?

 

[weldone]

I have started a poll between lara and hammond and i think it will be fair if the winner of that poll takes the 6th position and the other would take the 7th.

Not at all.

 

[weldone]

Jeez, more drama in here than an episode of Days of our Lives. Let's just talk cricket hey?

seriously man!