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Cricinfo All-time series "Eleven of the best"

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
Based purely on wicket keeping skills, Latif was the best..Wasim Bari was perhaps close..But I am bit biased against Wasim Bari because of Wasim Bari the chief selector and administrator who and the damage he did to Pakistan cricket in that role.
 

Fusion

Global Moderator
Interesting that you say that - and the team selected backs you up. I'd always had the impression that Wasim Bari was considered Pakistan's greatest ever 'keeper.
I had Bari in my team as the keeper. Perhpas a bit of notalgia tailored into my selection. I think Latif is definately a good enough keeper, and the superior bat. I can be happy with either. Other than that one difference, the rest of the team is exactly how I'd draw it up too.
 

flibbertyjibber

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These have been fun but the trouble is that you can only go on what you seen and sometimes you are clouded by current players over some of the older generation because either you haven't seen them or the current player is fresher in your mind.

Take that Pakistan team,there is a bit of a debate over the keeper,i never saw Bari so can't comment on whether he was better than Latif or not but i will say Latif is the best gloveman i have seen in my lifetime wearing a Pakistan cap.Interesting that Pakistan more than others have a large selection of their side from recent times.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
These have been fun but the trouble is that you can only go on what you seen and sometimes you are clouded by current players over some of the older generation because either you haven't seen them or the current player is fresher in your mind.

Take that Pakistan team,there is a bit of a debate over the keeper,i never saw Bari so can't comment on whether he was better than Latif or not but i will say Latif is the best gloveman i have seen in my lifetime wearing a Pakistan cap.Interesting that Pakistan more than others have a large selection of their side from recent times.
Eh?

Latif is the most recent debutant in that side, and he debuted in 1992.

You've got Hanif Mohammed and Fazal Mahmood from the 50s/60s, Miandad, Abbas, Imran and Quadir from the 70s/80s, Saeed Anwar, Waqar and Wasim from the late 80s/early 90s, and Inzamam and Khalid Latif from the early 90s.
 
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flibbertyjibber

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Eh?

Latif is the most recent debutant in that side, and he debuted in 1992.

You've got Hanif Mohammed and Fazal Mahmood from the 50s/60s, Miandad, Abbas, Imran and Quadir from the 70s/80s, Saeed Anwar, Waqar and Wasim from the late 80s/early 90s, and Inzamam and Khalid Latif from the early 90s.
I started watching in the early 80's so i consider Miandad,Imran and all tose after as current players.Depends on your age i guess.4 of them were in the 92 world cup winning side which only seems like yesterday to me and Waqar was out with his back.

Contrast that with an England side,Botham would be the only one who played in the last 30 years so the Pakistan team are fairly recent.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
I started watching in the early 80's so i consider Miandad,Imran and all tose after as current players.Depends on your age i guess.4 of them were in the 92 world cup winning side which only seems like yesterday to me and Waqar was out with his back.

Contrast that with an England side,Botham would be the only one who played in the last 30 years so the Pakistan team are fairly recent.
IIRC, KP made the cricinfo all time England side.
 

flibbertyjibber

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IIRC, KP made the cricinfo all time England side.
I forgot that,wouldn't have had him in yet.Maybe if he kept it up for longer.Didn't pay too much attention to ours,more interested in other nations as you know less about some of their players.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
I forgot that,wouldn't have had him in yet.Maybe if he kept it up for longer.Didn't pay too much attention to ours,more interested in other nations as you know less about some of their players.
I think he replaced Compton. They've played pretty much the same number of tests. Compton obviously with the better FC pedigree, but that probably wasn't a factor in picking the all time test side. I thought it was a fair call.
 

AaronK

State Regular
I had Bari in my team as the keeper. Perhpas a bit of notalgia tailored into my selection. I think Latif is definately a good enough keeper, and the superior bat. I can be happy with either. Other than that one difference, the rest of the team is exactly how I'd draw it up too.
same here but i had Moin Khan as a keeper.. I thought he was a fighting cricketer..he wasn't as good of Keeper as Latif or Bari but he could fight against the best attack and bring them down to their knees..
 

pskov

International 12th Man
Can't wait for the West Indies one,how the hell do you choose 4 fast bowlers from their crop?
No idea. A bowler of the quality of Wes Hall would be a serious contestant for getting into the all-time team for just about any other test nation, but conventional wisdom is that he really has no chance of getting into an all-time Windies line up. It really is remarkable the way a seemingly limitless supply of top quality quicks just kept sprouting in the Caribbean over that 15 year period. Undoubtedly no other side has ever had such a concentration of great players of a certain type over such a period of time.

Fwiw, I'd go for Roberts, Holding, Marshall and Ambrose.
 
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Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
I started watching in the early 80's so i consider Miandad,Imran and all tose after as current players.Depends on your age i guess.4 of them were in the 92 world cup winning side which only seems like yesterday to me and Waqar was out with his back.

Contrast that with an England side,Botham would be the only one who played in the last 30 years so the Pakistan team are fairly recent.
Thats because Pakistan only started playing test cricket in the 50s..it was created in 47.
England have been playing test cricket for 200 years.
 

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Can't wait for the West Indies one,how the hell do you choose 4 fast bowlers from their crop?
No idea. A bowler of the quality of Wes Hall would be a serious contestant for getting into the all-time team for just about any other test nation, but conventional wisdom is that he really has no chance of getting into an all-time Windies line up. It really is remarkable the way a seemingly limitless supply of top quality quicks just kept sprouting in the Caribbean over that 15 year period. Undoubtedly no other side has ever had such a concentration of great players of a certain type over such a period of time.

Fwiw, I'd go for Roberts, Holding, Marshall and Ambrose.
I imagine that even for WI they'll go for one spinner TBH - so I'd reckon Marshall, Ambrose and Garner/Holding, with Sobers as the fourth quick (and second spinner).
 

Himannv

Hall of Fame Member
I imagine that even for WI they'll go for one spinner TBH - so I'd reckon Marshall, Ambrose and Garner/Holding, with Sobers as the fourth quick (and second spinner).
IMO they shouldn't include a spinner at all (except perhaps Sobers of course). Something like this would work:

Gordon Greenidge
Conrad Hunte
Viv Richards
George Headley
Brian Lara
Garfield Sobers
Jeff Dujon
Malcolm Marshall
Joel Garner
Michael Holding
Curtly Ambrose

Still even that team is extremely harsh on the likes of the 3 W's, Wes Hall, Andy Roberts, Courtney Walsh, Desmond Haynes, Rohan Kanhai and many others.
 

Teja.

Global Moderator
IMO they shouldn't include a spinner at all (except perhaps Sobers of course). Something like this would work:

Gordon Greenidge
Conrad Hunte
Viv Richards
George Headley
Brian Lara
Garfield Sobers
Jeff Dujon
Malcolm Marshall
Joel Garner
Michael Holding
Curtly Ambrose

Still even that team is extremely harsh on the likes of the 3 W's, Wes Hall, Andy Roberts, Courtney Walsh, Desmond Haynes, Rohan Kanhai and many others.
Would swap Dujon with Weekes as keeper(Not a very good keeper, but ATG Batsman, and there are no spinners, so the keeping is easier.) and agree with the rest of the team.
 

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Surely it would be Walcott to come in as 'keeper if you were doing that, given that he was actually the WI Test 'keeper for a time?
 

Teja.

Global Moderator
Surely it would be Walcott to come in as 'keeper if you were doing that, given that he was actually the WI Test 'keeper for a time?
My bad. :oops: Always mixed up those two, Weekes himself, wouldn't make a bad choice, was an occasional FC keeper, and by all accounts the better Batsman. Would still choose(and meant) Walcott as I have no statistical or qualitative record of Weekes's keeping(Though he was one of the best fielders ever)
 

Himannv

Hall of Fame Member
Personally feel that with Sobers batting at 6, an additional batsman isn't necessary and Walcott would be wasted at 7. Due to his numerous back injuries, I dont think having him as a keeper is all that fair as he'll have to keep to bowlers with rather steep bounce. I'd have no argument if he ahd to fill up the no.6 slot due to shortage of a good batting allrounder which is certainly not the case here.

The acrobatics of Dujon however will be more than adept to dealing with anything thats thrown at him as we've already seen. He's not the worst batsman at 7 either and is clearly the best pure keeper they've ever had.
 
All-time XI | Cricinfo Magazine | Cricinfo.com

The Team is out.

The XI

Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Imran Khan
Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Fazal Mahmood
Abdul Qadir
Waqar Younis

Abbas out, Yousuf in would be my only change.
A very good side but I think Younis Khan would've become good enough to replace Zaheer Abbas by the time of his retirement.Both Wasim Bari & Rashid Latif are one of the greatest ever keepers in history of cricket but they've done the right thing here to select Rashid because of his superior batting.Moin's batting was much better than those two & he was a fighting cricketer & known as "Man of Crisis" for some of the innings he played in extreme pressure during the 1990s but then I think his keeping was not good enough to claim a spot in an alltime XI.Overall,a great side.
 

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