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Can NZ cricket ever recover?
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wfdu_ben91
International 12th Man
The night after Bravo scored his 100 in Adelaide, one of my mates brothers saw him in a nightclub at around 3am in the morning. That's dedication right there.
GotSpin
Hall of Fame Member
ok mum
WindieWeathers
International Regular
May i ask what i've done wrong? Jono made a claim about WI and i responding to it without any problem, Streetwise then attacks my post so i'm finding it hard to comprehend how i'm to blame here to be honest, in my first response to Streetwise i did say we should disagree and leave it at that.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
This thread is about NZ cricket, aye? Reading any thread on Cricket Chat gives us your opinion on West Indies cricket. Maybe its time to put on a different record. And Andyc warned Streetwise as well as far as I can tell.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
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WindieWeathers
International Regular
Was he downing cristal and surrounded by busty models? if not then he should be ashamed of himself!!.
Howsie
International Captain
So about New Zealand 
Just remembered that the group of South African's qualify rather soon, around Novemeber iirc. Myburgh from the little I've seen of him will be a welcome addition to our middle order, and maybe in a year or two as will Wagner in the bowling department (although I suspect he'll come right in).
A group of Taylor, Ryder, Williamson, Myburgh, Broom and Guptill doesn't look half bad tbh.
Just remembered that the group of South African's qualify rather soon, around Novemeber iirc. Myburgh from the little I've seen of him will be a welcome addition to our middle order, and maybe in a year or two as will Wagner in the bowling department (although I suspect he'll come right in).
A group of Taylor, Ryder, Williamson, Myburgh, Broom and Guptill doesn't look half bad tbh.
WindieWeathers
International Regular
I never came in and posted about WI on a whim though, i responded to someone mentioning WI, there's a big difference.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Which, as far as I can understand is why both of you were warned. He took it off topic, but there was no need for you to reply and to continue to drag the thread off topic.
WindieWeathers
International Regular
The person i originally responded to (Jono) wasn't warned though, and in that post i also talked about NZ's situation so i think it was perfectly acceptable.
On another topic i think the "troll" line is about as old as Sir David Attenborough himself to be honest, people throw it around when they probably don't even understand what it means.
andyc
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
What Heath said, basically. Yes, others were also involved, and that's why they were warned as well. But when you've been explicitly warned before about taking threads off topic with your postings about the West Indies, it becomes more of an issue. It's okay to be a fan, but not when you're dragging every single thread you post in off topic so that you can talk about the West Indies.
Not needed, Geg.
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BoyBrumby
Englishman
Hey, if it's good enough for England...So about New Zealand
Just remembered that the group of South African's qualify rather soon, around Novemeber iirc. Myburgh from the little I've seen of him will be a welcome addition to our middle order, and maybe in a year or two as will Wagner in the bowling department (although I suspect he'll come right in).
A group of Taylor, Ryder, Williamson, Myburgh, Broom and Guptill doesn't look half bad tbh.
Seriously tho, I think the surprise is that NZ have been as good as they have for as long as they have. They're a small country in terms of population and, as well as having the best union team in the world they're also the current league world champions and have qualified for the association football WC too, so there's a lot of competition for the sporting talent that's produced.
The Black Caps consistently punch above their weight (particular in the limited overs formats) and every so often will produce some world class talent (your Hadlees, Crowes, Bonds, etc) who will lift their test side into the upper echelons.
Flem274*
123/5
I'm not convinced on the South Africans tbh. Van Wyk will make a good back up keeper but I'm not sure from what I've seen of Mybrugh (admittedly in List A and 20/20), looks like he could be vulnerable early. Wagner seems ODI specialist material as things stand (his NZ FC record is a bit meh), though I can see him being picked in the test side immediately. Would still rather McKay ahead of him in tests though.So about New Zealand
Just remembered that the group of South African's qualify rather soon, around Novemeber iirc. Myburgh from the little I've seen of him will be a welcome addition to our middle order, and maybe in a year or two as will Wagner in the bowling department (although I suspect he'll come right in).
A group of Taylor, Ryder, Williamson, Myburgh, Broom and Guptill doesn't look half bad tbh.
But yeah I can see Myburgh, Taylor, Ryder, Williamson being the order shortly, with Williamson at three ahead of Myburgh if he fails (hopefully with an allrounder with impressive form behind him in his place, even if its not over a big period of time).
Finding that allrounder that can keep the batting going and give the bowling an extra option would be a huge plus. Ideally Franklin would be that man, but I doubt he even thinks he can get back to what he was with the ball and with the bat he is very prone early. If he could transfer a batting average of 35 and his old bowling record he'd be world class, but I doubt it.
There's Vettori of course, but that means we need to pluck a number eight from somewhere. That could be an opportunity for Mills, and in theory his swing bowling would be welcome in a hit the wicket and seam it attack, but I think he's best used as an ODI specialist considering his test...flaws. We can't afford to use a bits and pieces player either, we need as many weapons as we can, even if it weakens the batting.
The bowling attack is the worry. Its not that they aren't up to it, its the lack of variation. If we had one of the current lot whacking it in looking for movement on a good line and length while at the other end a swing bowler was operating (in other words, Southee doing his job) with a left arm seam/swinger to throw the ball to..
As it is, against a really good batting side, once they've faced one, it's not much of a adjustment to face the other two. They will do okay against other sides (they had Australia sweating pre-Clarke) but against the best batting line ups (i.e. India, Australia and SA) they will find it a lot harder I suspect.
cbuts
International Debutant
Believe NZ were the only team to beat West Indies in a sereis in the 80's
It will take 4 or 5 years. if you look back of the last few decades we were good in the late 80's, 98/88-03/4 we got up to number 3 or so in tests. Taylor, Ryder, Guptil, Williamson should form a key part of our batting lineup for the next decade or more - just need some young bowlers to come through in the next few years and at least one opening batsman!!!
cbuts
International Debutant
WI havent beaten NZ in a test match since 1995/96.... Only Bangladesh and Zimbabwe can match that record
I think it's harsh to place us alongside those sides, yes for years we've been a shadow of our former selves but recently we've beaten England and gave Australia a real contest in their own backyard with a depleted team, i might sound biased but i really think our test side is only gonna get better over the next few years, especially with some of the fantastic youngsters coming through.
As for NZ, they've certainly got a few top class test players but unfortunately the rest are just not on the same level which makes them easy pickings for the opposition.