Bowling a heavy ball

[Z-Man]

Has anyone observed Aizaz Cheema Bowling?
I really think he bowls faster than the speed gun shows as his bowls go through a lot quicker than the rest of the seamer. (It may just be an illusion because he has a swift action too)

 

[BoyBrumby]

Yep pretty much. Morkel, Freddy and Nel are all tall bowlers who hit the splice often.

Although Philander isn't that tall is he?

Not especially, no. Stock delivery is quite a full too, so it's not as if he bangs it in back of a length like (say) Flintoff or Nel did. As I said in my first post, it could be his seam movement makes him appear quicker than he registers on the gun.

Science sucks the poetry of of everything, tbh. "Oh, it's defying the laws of physics."

Regardless of what the test tube botherers amongst us say, some bowlers do seem to give the hurry up to batsmen despite not being express. It might just be a perception, but I think it's an interesting phenomenon nonetheless.

 

[Cabinet96]

This is what I said about the matter on a similar thread. Still stand by it.

 

[Garson007]

A shorter bowler's ball has less distance to travel than a taller bowler's. So someone short might very well bowl at a comparatively lesser pace, yet cover the pitch in quicker time. It doesn't break the laws of physics because the pitch itself isn't the only distance the ball covers, but it must also cover a vertical distance.

 

[thierry henry]

As a general rule, the faster you run in (with numerous exceptions), the 'lighter' the ball, given a constant bowling speed. Comparison being Simon Jones Vs Mohammad Sami?

Yeah, I always struggled batting against guys who could bowl sharply off a really short run-up. Despite knowing that the ball was coming faster than the run-up/action suggested, I think the brain can't help but react by slowing you down somehow.

 

[Manee]

Yeah, I always struggled batting against guys who could bowl sharply off a really short run-up. Despite knowing that the ball was coming faster than the run-up/action suggested, I think the brain can't help but react by slowing you down somehow.

And similarly, the opposite effect at international level any time someone absolutely charges in and bowls under 150kph. Person I am mainly looking at is Vinay Kumar. Very few people would consider the reality that he is the same pace as Mcgrath was mainly because Mcgrath ran in and Kumar ****ing charges in.

 

[Cabinet96]

Yeah, I always struggled batting against guys who could bowl sharply off a really short run-up. Despite knowing that the ball was coming faster than the run-up/action suggested, I think the brain can't help but react by slowing you down somehow.

Yeah, I've been beaten for pace numerous times by bowlers with short run ups, while being early on bowlers who charge in off a long run.

 

[Manee]

Yeah, I've been beaten for pace numerous times by bowlers with short run ups, while being early on bowlers who charge in off a long run.

At club level though, that may be because the bowlers with short run ups are actually quick whereas the bowlers who charge in are kidding themselves. So many factors to consider really.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Hitting the seam perfectly most of the time has to help.

Yeah, helps with getting more bounce too which makes it more awkward. If a bloke's seaming it around a bit then you have to play later too, which might create the impression of a 'heavy ball'.

Watto bowls a light ball. He used to hit 145 and it never looked fast.

He used to. when he first started out I used to wonder how an international bowler could get absolutely no movement on a turf wicket. Now he moves it around a bit he seems more intimidating.

 

[zaremba]

Two things need to be separated out here. One is deceptive pace - someone who is quicker than he seems, or quicker than you think he'll be. That's to do with all sorts of things such as run-up, bowling action and general appearance (eg Bresnan who has got "honest trundler" written all over his face and frame). The other is the phenomenon of the "heavy ball". As to which I have to place myself firmly in the test-tube-bothering camp. It's obviously an illusion and must be to do with trajectory and perhaps a bit of surprise pace. But it's spoken of as if it's something altogether different, a quite distinct force exerted on and by the ball. And this of course is obviously claptrap.

One who fell into one or other of these categories, btw, was Maurice Tate, who was reknowned (sp?) for bowling deliveries which appeared positively to accelerate off the pitch. Also an illusion, obviously (one assumes he wasn't bowling heavily spun fast-medium topspinners), but universally commented upon all the same. I suspect there may have been a bit of the surprisingly-quick-for-a-fat-boy and surprisingly-quick-off-a-short-ambling-run factors at play there.

 

[Jono]

Not especially, no. Stock delivery is quite a full too, so it's not as if he bangs it in back of a length like (say) Flintoff or Nel did. As I said in my first post, it could be his seam movement makes him appear quicker than he registers on the gun.

But its been said quite a few times that Philander gets it to jump up higher of a normal length for some reason. It's the height of where the ball meets the bat.

But yep seam movement results in it jumping up a bit too.

 

[Burgey]

Cricket Web in over-analyzing a long held belief and in so doing making a bigger deal of it than is necessary shocker.

 

[zaremba]

Guilty.

 

[Jono]

Cricket Web in over-analyzing a long held belief and in so doing making a bigger deal of it than is necessary shocker.

Yeah true, we need more player A vs Player B threads along with Indian vs Australian trolling threads.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah true, we need more player A vs Player B threads along with Indian vs Australian trolling threads.

It's not a hard concept though, is it? Surely people know what it means. Only this joint can turn it into a discussion on ****ing physics.

And if Indian supporters would stop trolling, there wouldn't be a problem.

 

[zaremba]

C'mon Burgey, physics rocks and you know it.

 

[Burgey]

C'mon Burgey, physics rocks and you know it.

I saw a Bosun down at Garden Island Navy Base getting a pie at Harry's Cafe de Wheels once

 

[uvelocity]

everytime when I bowl my action/landing/head/arse/something happens different, and sometimes the ball will just rear up off a length.

I think these guys just do that all the time.

bastards.

 

[slowfinger]

It's an interesting phenomenon alright. Heavy ball exponents I can think of include;

Andre Nel
Brian McMillan
Hamish Bennett
Danny Morrison
Merv Hughes
Andrew Caddick
Andrew Flintoff

and more recently .... Doug Bracewell

Thing is with Nel, he puts a TON of back into his bowling, as does Flintoff.

 

[Prince EWS]

I wouldn't actually say Philander bowled a heavy ball tbh; he looks rather slow to me. Being difficult to play and bowling quickly aren't the same thing.