Aussie ODI first XI

[bryce]

thats got to be the biggest joke i've ever heard. have you even looked at clarkes ODI record in the last few series? has he done anything brilliant?

so who would you nominate?

 

[marc71178]

Not necessrily. If some one is bowling well at the FC level, it shows he can at the One day level as well when he is fit.

No, it doesn't. It shows he can bowl in the long form of the game.

 

[marc71178]

Not Clarke, I was referring to Watson.

So why reply to a comment about Clarke then?

 

[Mr Casson]

Tooextracool, just remember that Clarke's ODI performances went a long way in getting him into Australia's world-class Test team.

 

[KennyD]

thats got to be the biggest joke i've ever heard. have you even looked at clarkes ODI record in the last few series? has he done anything brilliant?

Who said anything about record, I definitely believe that Clarke is the best no. 7 batsmen going around in the world.

 

[KennyD]

ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS
(including 08/12/2004)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
36 32 8 942 105* 39.25 89.03 1 4 14 0

O M R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Econ
98.5 1 509 17 29.94 5-35 1 1 34.8 5.15

Not bad for a no.7

 

[Pratters]

No, it doesn't. It shows he can bowl in the long form of the game.

If a player can bowl in the longer version of the game, he can in the shorter version usually though not always. A one day bowler though may not necessariy be able to bowl in the longer version.

It requires much more skill to bowl in the longer version. One has to be economical as well in the shorter version obviously but a good bowler in the FC level will more often than not be able to play in the one dayers. Some one like Dravid who had the skill did adopt over time to the one day game. The question is whether he has enough skill as a bowler. Seeing him bowl the few times that I have, he does seem to have the skill necessary.

 

[Nate]

ODIs please......
why is it so hard to look at the name of the thread and realise what form of the game we are talking about?

id look at your choice of words then, silly me thought WORLD CLASS meant you are up in the top of the world

 

[Andre]

It requires much more skill to bowl in the longer version.

No it doesn't - it just requires a differant set of skills...

 

[marc71178]

If a player can bowl in the longer version of the game, he can in the shorter version usually though not always.

Where do you get that from?

They're 2 very distinct skills.

 

[bryce]

he means that most people who are bowlers in test cricket are bowlers in ODI's aswell, there isn't a heck of a lot of bowling specialists(bowling in only one form of the game), so his comment is correct if you look at it that way.

 

[marc71178]

So he judges the blokes One Day bowling on his First Class figures and not on his ONe Day figures?

 

[Pratters]

So he judges the blokes One Day bowling on his First Class figures and not on his ONe Day figures?

It bowler bowling well in FC cricket is more likely to bowl well the the one dayers that the other way around. And his FC bowling isnt bad. Also I do believe he could bowl 6/7/8 overs in an one day game if fully it.

You dont judge one day bowling on FC figures. You judge that he can have potential. Not entirely diferent skills whne ou consider many FC/test players do and have bowled well in the one day game as well.

 

[tooextracool]

Tooextracool, just remember that Clarke's ODI performances went a long way in getting him into Australia's world-class Test team.

which doesnt mean that hes world class does it?
most people picked him based on the potential he showed at both the domestic level and at the ODI level. but potential does not mean that someone is world class.

 

[tooextracool]

ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS
(including 08/12/2004)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
36 32 8 942 105* 39.25 89.03 1 4 14 0

O M R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Econ
98.5 1 509 17 29.94 5-35 1 1 34.8 5.15

Not bad for a no.7

or if we look at his performances since the TVS cup last year series by series, we get
2003-2004 VB Series 10 9 1 1 0 63 248 31.00 4 0
2003-2004 SRL v AUS 5 5 1 0 0 36 83 20.75 3 0
2003-2004 ZIM v AUS 3 3 2 0 1 *105 126 126.00 1 0
2004-2005 Videocon Cup 2 2 0 0 0 42 43 21.50 1 0
2004 Natwest International 1 1 0 0 0 31 31 31.00 0 0
2004 ICC Champions Trophy 3 1 0 0 0 42 42 42.00 1 0
2004-2005 Chappell-Hadlee Trophy 2 2 0 0 0 36 42 21.00 0 0

oh yes what a world class performer he is, with that brilliant average inflated by performances against zimbabwe!

 

[tooextracool]

Who said anything about record, I definitely believe that Clarke is the best no. 7 batsmen going around in the world.

to be the best no 7 ATM you also have to have a good record against teams other than zimbabwe lately.

 

[tooextracool]

so who would you nominate?

pollock, razzaq, kaif etc etc

 

[bryce]

pollock, razzaq, kaif etc etc

ok then that's your opinion, i know i still think clarke is the best ODI number seven batsman around.

 

[tooextracool]

well he might be eventually, but IMO he hasnt done enough in his career to date. it wasnt long ago when there were calls about how overrated and how useless he was as a player. most people wondered why he was even picked to play in the test side.
since then he hasnt done anything to change that in ODIs. and while hes been brilliant thus far, hes still far from proven in test match cricket.

 

[marc71178]

You dont judge one day bowling on FC figures. You judge that he can have potential.

Yes, and then you look at his One Day stats, which tell far more about his bowling then any perceived potential from FC stats.