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Aussie ODI first XI
- Thread starter Pratters
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tooextracool
International Coach
there arent 11 world class ODI players let alone 16-17.Scallywag said:
tooextracool
International Coach
which makes everyone in your side world class how?Crazy Sam said:lol!! if you say so....but given we went through a world cup completely undefeated [and thrashed india in the final, and others among the way] with almost an identical team, I know I'd rather support this Australian side than any other.
neither of clarke or brad hogg are world class.
Nate
You'll Never Walk Alone
haha so on debut, while the Autralian top-order struggles somewhat, Clarke makes 150-odd. Yet he is not World Class? Bahahaha... not to mention 6/9, his 100 on his Australian debut... I can go on. Test or ODIs, if you do well in one, you are World Class.tooextracool said:
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
What the figures tell is he can indeed bowl as shown by his FC average. But recent injuries and inexpirience mean he hasnt had as much bowling and a worse bowling average than he is capable of. He is not better because he is younger but people pick players on what they can do as well. Last example of this - M.J.Clarke. Figures tell a lot of the story but arent accurate in the case of Watson. And he can definitely bowl 6-7 overs in a one day game.marc71178 said:
FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
Hogg is far from world class, certainly. Honestly though, when are people going to give Clarke a break? Yes, he got a chance when others might have been picked ahead of it, and he took it and performed absolutely magnificently. He was the second best batsmen in Australia's great win in India, and he came back and played a great innings against New Zealand. He has also put in some great performances in ODIs, including a Man Of The Series performance in the TVS cup in India.tooextracool said:
How does he prove himself to be world class with the number of games he has played, if he has not already?
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
And how does that make him a good One Day bowler?Pratyush said:
It doesn't one bit - you need to look at One Day figures to determine a One Day bowler.
If the conditions suit him, then yes.Pratyush said:
In 36 ODI's he has bowled less than 100 overs. In a further 53 List A games (mainly at home or in England) he's bowled another 76 overs.
He has only bowled in 1 of his last 11 ODI's...
Andre
International Regular
They are differant forms of the game, and only really alike in the fact that they both share the name cricket. Completely differant strategies, and hence, you pick the best 11 options for an ODI side - in which Watson as a bowler at this stage is not one of them. His bowling record was still ordinary before his injury, if anything he has improved as a bowler sicne then - but at that stage he was in the side batting at 7, not 8.Pratyush said:
Clarke? Absolute rubbish....what are you on about? Perhaps you've heard something we haven't because he's not been injured, I'll tell you that for free...
tooextracool
International Coach
but hes not even a proven player at the international level yet. too many people seem to be jumping at his test performances as though those performances make any differences to his ODI record which hasnt been anything extraordinary yet. i dont doubt that he has potential, but instead of hyping him up so early when he is still unproven lets wait for him to prove himself and play the big innings before we rate him shall we?Eclipse said:
the same thing can be said about andrew strauss. hes not world class in tests or ODIs yet. he might have potential, but we cant rate him unless he proves us right in the long run.
and that makes him world class does it? he wouldnt make any of the 3 sub continental teams and funny that, those are the 3 sides who do have any spinners worth talking about.Eclipse said:
tooextracool
International Coach
ODIs please......Nnanden said:
why is it so hard to look at the name of the thread and realise what form of the game we are talking about?
tooextracool
International Coach
how many times do i have to say it.....ODIS please. what is this new magic formula that suggests that someone who does well in one form is automatically world class in the other?FaaipDeOiad said:
the fact that you have to look back more than 1.5 years ago to find his last worthwhile series says something doesnt it?
as far as proven himself is concerned how can someone whos played 6 tests be a proven world class player already? seriously hes still to face a quality fast bowler and we will soon see if he can keep up his bright start.
tooextracool
International Coach
thats got to be the biggest joke i've ever heard. have you even looked at clarkes ODI record in the last few series? has he done anything brilliant?bryce said: