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Allan Donald vs Joel Garner

Who was the greater bowler?

  • Allan Donald

    Votes: 20 57.1%
  • Joel Garner

    Votes: 15 42.9%

  • Total voters
    35

Pap Finn Keighl

State Captain
As an example from amongst the players I have watched, I have absolutely no doubt that Gillespie and Walsh are two bowlers who could have had much better stats had they been the lead bowlers in their sides. They almost all the time had to bowl into the wind and try to bowl dry spells to ensure Ambrose or McGrath on the other end can attack. While I understand the glamour of individual stats for arguments such as these, especially among bowlers, it is very important to note what role their team needed them to play and how well they played it.

And perhaps you would find some who could play every role really well and maybe those bowlers do need to be rated higher. One example I can think of, is Pollock. He often bowled into the wind when bowling with Donald but he also performed really well as the lead bowler, rough stats against one of the greatest sides ever aside. It is not such a simple thing as to go by just bowling average and strike rate in what is basically a team game.
Gillespie
Walsh
Akram
 

Shady Slim

Cricketer Of The Year
that is a remarkably curious and probably statistically significant difference in the average between bowling the first and second over for m holding which i can't quite figure out why it'd be a thing tbh, for anyone not just holding - obviously you wouldn't have exactly equal averages bowling first and second, just because of the multifarity of circumstances in any individual game, but you would expect most people would look like that of garner, basically around the same number with slight margin of error there - but holding's is really weird!!
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
that is a remarkably curious and probably statistically significant difference in the average between bowling the first and second over for m holding which i can't quite figure out why it'd be a thing tbh, for anyone not just holding - obviously you wouldn't have exactly equal averages bowling first and second, just because of the multifarity of circumstances in any individual game, but you would expect most people would look like that of garner, basically around the same number with slight margin of error there - but holding's is really weird!!
Usually the 2nd over means you are bowling into the wind especially in those days of mostly open grounds than fully built stadiums. Must be that.
 

_00_deathscar

State Captain
that is a remarkably curious and probably statistically significant difference in the average between bowling the first and second over for m holding which i can't quite figure out why it'd be a thing tbh, for anyone not just holding - obviously you wouldn't have exactly equal averages bowling first and second, just because of the multifarity of circumstances in any individual game, but you would expect most people would look like that of garner, basically around the same number with slight margin of error there - but holding's is really weird!!
Check Sachin stats for 1st vs 2nd in ODIs…
 

Burgey

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The big lesson here is if you're batting you're hoping Garner isn't made to wait til 3rd change to get a go.
 

Johan

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Recently I found these charts on ICC ranking.com used to rate players , here is Garner vs Donald Chart for Test
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as you can see , they both made it to Number 1 for few tests , but Donald spend a LOT more time there tho it can be said that Garner was facing much stiffer competition , they both stood high their entire career , ratings are a more reliable measure
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The Big Bird seems to spend more of his time as a 800+ rated bowler but its as close as it can be

Statistically speaking , Garner has better average then anyone iirc thats not named Malcolm Marshall but his lack of 5 wicket halls has him underrated , even though its understandable considering he bowled a lot with 3 strike paces.

either way , I will always take Joel Garner above Allan Donald , he is a bowler like Curtly Ambrose and Glenn McGrath , he is slower but almost unplayable , combined with a very high point of ball release , Donald is more like Steyn and Younis , I always take McGrath/Ambrose time

for more of these charts , comparasion of Garner with Dennis Lillee

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either way , if the Test charts are too close , we can use LOI too , Not only does Garner statistically obilerate Donald in One Day Cricket... here are the charts for ranking first

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One is surfing and the other is scooba diving as far as rating goes
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even though I grew up with Allan Donald and not Joel Garner , I'll take Garner , seems near unplayable when in form from what I saw of him, seemed like a slower but taller ( body + Hands ) version of Curtly Ambrose ( but a much better ODI pacer , probably due to Yorkers ) , I like Donald and have him as a top tier ATG pacer , but Garner just edges him in test and obilerates in one day , for me atleast
 

Johan

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
icc rankings/ratings are practically useless imo.
dunno , Might do more research on how they work and such later , Garner in ODI is rated the same way as Viv in ODI for one , dunno how realistic that is.
 

Gob

International Captain
Allan Garner would have been ridiculous but not as ridiculous as Joel Donald
 

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