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1st Test (Leeds) - 20th June

honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Spark said:
Nah the boundaries square are just too short. If you don't have a deep point, anything remotely square of the wicket is four across the wicket block. As a principle I agree with you, you're setting a field for a bad ball, but you ultimately have to give your bowlers some protection and allow them to err a little without paying a massive penalty and England are just too remorseless about capitalising on even okay balls outside off stump to not have protection.
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I agree once batsmen have made 20 or 25 but before, I would definitely try to keep the 1 down than try to save the 4. I would trust the bowlers to bowl more of the good balls and let the batsman take an element of risk, like Joe Root ended up doing.
 
Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
Adders said:
On Bumrah I think a lot of people maybe won't rate him in the top tier of ATG's at the end of his career as he won't have the same volume of work......but for me and eye test he is definately right in that mix.

Someone else said it earlier, not since McGrath have we had a fast bowler tour Eng where you think how the **** do we survive this spell. Burgey rightly rated him the best to tour Aus since the mid 70's......with only Hadlee and Marshall in that convo.

So we're already comparing him with the very best ever.
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I don't know if he will end up the best fast bowler because longevity and all that but I do know that he's the most consistently intimidating fast bowler - from a sheer "how do you play this guy" pov - I've seen in my time, and honestly I think it might be a gap to second. He's just terrifying basically every time he gets the ball in his hand.
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
Burgey said:
He belongs in the argument from a skill and relative output perspective imo, setting aside arguments re longevity.

I haven’t seen anyone bowl better in Aus than he did out here last summer, and I can recall back as far as the mid-late 70s. It was borderline unbelievable. The only blokes I’d put on the same level are Hadlee 85/86 and Marshall. Without Bumrah Aus wins that series 5-0.

I mean, that’s pretty ****ing good company.
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I never saw him tour personally, but he seems to always be brought up - you wouldn’t put Ambrose in that company?
 
K

kevinw

International Debutant
I think JB will up on around 300 wickets or so from 65 Tests which obviously means he won't have the longevity of McGrath or Hadlee, but tbh, if this happens and there is no drop off in quality before he quits, I would put him down as one of the best quicks of all time easily.
 
Uppercut

Uppercut

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Yesterday I was almost forgetting the match situation and just feeling lucky to be watching him. It’s that combination of ATG quality and being an absolutely unique bowler.

I’m going to a day of the third test, and every time someone says they hope it’s the one he’s rested for I feel like punching them through the screen.
 
the big bambino

the big bambino

Cricketer Of The Year
honestbharani said:
I think the deep point out to Prasidh was an especially dumb move. Guys' natural length is short of length and he looks to get seam movement from there, not so much swing. You cant give away easy singles off his good balls and think its a good plan. Even Siraj was finding it difficult due to that field.

I would rather have a tradtional third man so that a good ball that gets a nick still does not concede a boundary and have a proper point and cover field.

And I do think both Shardul and Prasidh can offer more with the ball. The captain has to trust them more and encourage them. We know we are not winning this series just with Bumrah and others supporting him given he is only playing 3 of the tests. We need others to get wickets and lots of wickets at that. I dont mind Akashdeep or Arshdeep playiing for Prasidh but it does leave the attack very samey, all same height and mostly same mojo as bowlers. Prasidh and Harshit are the only points of difference with their height and natural hard lengths. That is just the reality. I agree Kambhoj probably could have stayed over and played ahead of Shardul as he is also a decent bat at 8 but that is just about it.
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I agree with morgieb preferring Akash to Prasidh. He bowled some really good spells here even if he was unlucky. I think he'd be even better in England. If you want a point of difference then Harshit should come in for Shardul. I'd like both of those changes if neither of the incumbents contribute to this test. I also think deep point is on point here and is the deal you have to make if you want Prasidh.
 
chris.hinton

chris.hinton

International Captain
Was England's day yesterday

We gave India a day to see what they can do, Turns out they are slightly above average. Allow england to win the test match now
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Uppercut said:
Yesterday I was almost forgetting the match situation and just feeling lucky to be watching him. It’s that combination of ATG quality and being an absolutely unique bowler.

I’m going to a day of the third test, and every time someone says they hope it’s the one he’s rested for I feel like punching them through the screen.
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Haha I think he will play the alternate tests, so dont worry
 
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