England players and selection discussion thread

[Howe_zat]

They where praising him in the PAK tour and still rested him to play jacks in the 1st and 2nd test.

he had the wild ****s for the first test. 2nd test was very weird but will jacks had taken a six for so they thought they'd try something funky i guess. figured it out for the third

 

[wpdavid]

Maybe Pope could be susceptible, his average is still low 30's.

Overall, yes, but he's averaged 41 since batting at 3 under Stokes & McCullum. He must be our most effective number 3 who isn't Joe Root since Trott was at his peak.

 

[GIMH]

Overall, yes, but he's averaged 41 since batting at 3 under Stokes & McCullum. He must be our most effective number 3 who isn't Joe Root since Trott was at his peak.

Yeah Howe and I touched on it in the match thread the other day but I’m still surprised when I see his low average; a bit like it used to be seeing Anderson/Broad’s which both took a long time to drop below 30 despite having both been guns for ages

 

[Brook's side]

Root coming in after 6 overs on that wicket could be seen as being a pretty decent audition for moving up to open.

 

[Socerer 01]

nah shouldn’t mess around with your best batsman’s position especially when he is the point of difference in this Bazball unit

 

[Pothas]

Stokes opening is actually going to have to happen.

 

[Gremlin]

Stokes opening is actually going to have to happen.

I really think it is. He can play to get his eye in before opening up the shoulders. And I think he'll be a better fit there rather than coming in a 6 trying to smack every ball into row Z

 

[ImpatientLime]

If Woakes comes back into the side for The Ashes

no

 

[theegyptian]

no

He definitely won't be in the preferred first xi but he's a good option to play a couple of tests in the series if required. Should be in the group of 6 or 7 seamers that could be used. Has skipped the IPL this year so should have some first class cricket behind him in the leadup to the series.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I really think it is. He can play to get his eye in before opening up the shoulders. And I think he'll be a better fit there rather than coming in a 6 trying to smack every ball into row Z

Yeah let Bairstow do that instead ?

 

[Pothas]

He definitely won't be in the preferred first xi but he's a good option to play a couple of tests in the series if required. Should be in the group of 6 or 7 seamers that could be used. Has skipped the IPL this year so should have some first class cricket behind him in the leadup to the series.

Yeah you would rather have Woakes as an injury replacement than Potts or an Overton.

 

[Howe_zat]

A list of England's worst regular openers ever has a very modern texture to it.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

A list of England's worst regular openers ever has a very modern texture to it.

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To think we ridiculed some who may not have played as often but averaged more.

 

[Shady Slim]

To think we ridiculed some who may not have played as often but averaged more.

forever will i defend michael carberry's performance against us out here during 2013-14

 

[Brook's side]

A list of England's worst regular openers ever has a very modern texture to it.

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3+ matched would be a fairer comparison wouldn't it??

but regardless, interesting to see that crawley doesn't stand out a mile in this company in terms of opportunities v performance as you might imagine would have been the case.

 

[Howe_zat]

3+ matched would be a fairer comparison wouldn't it??

but regardless, interesting to see that crawley doesn't stand out a mile in this company in terms of opportunities v performance as you might imagine would have been the case.

I think he does stand out compared to Burns and Sibley, unfortunately, in that his average includes a 267, so is more skewed away from his typical output. He rarely makes a start, which isn't a good quality in an opener who is supposed to protect the middle order.

Burns and Sibley made 20+ on 50% of their scores
Crawley makes it to 10+ on 50% of his scores

 

[Brook's side]

I think he does stand out compared to Burns and Sibley, unfortunately, in that his average includes a 267, so is more skewed away from his typical output. He rarely makes a start, which isn't a good quality in an opener who is supposed to protect the middle order.

Burns and Sibley made 20+ on 50% of their scores
Crawley makes it to 10+ on 50% of his scores

That's a fair point. 100s and 50s compares equally or favourably with Jennings, Sibley and Butcher with similar games played and averages though. I'd still stand by my comment that the difference doesn't stand out (at least without further examination) like you might expect.

 

[Nintendo]

Stokes has a fantastic record against pace bowling in English conditions, better than root last time I checked (think this was before roots purple patch, could be different now), his issue in test was not being amazing vs spin. Reckon hede take to opening really well.

 

[FBU]

He definitely won't be in the preferred first xi but he's a good option to play a couple of tests in the series if required. Should be in the group of 6 or 7 seamers that could be used. Has skipped the IPL this year so should have some first class cricket behind him in the leadup to the series.

Last Ashes in England Woakes and Archer played 4 Tests
Archer 22 wickets at 22.27
Woakes 10 wickets at 33.10

 

[Brook's side]

Woakes has been great for England (obviously mostly at home) and could well have played more than he has.

I'd be pretty surprised if he plays another test though. England have so many bowling options.