Joe Root v Virat Kohli

[mackembhoy]

Kohli can always bump it back up by playing in Aus/NZ/SA. What will Root do? He sucks in both Aus and NZ.

Number of hundreds by Kohli away from the SC :8
Number of hundreds by UAE Khan (YK) outside Asia excluding Zim : 5
Number of hundreds by Root in Asia : 1. Number of hundreds by Root outside the SC outside England : 2

He was a 22 year old opener. Kohli played in England at 26 batting middle order stop spouting shite.

 

[Zinzan]

And ....KP enters into the discussion

It?s unfair to compare Joe Root with Virat Kohli: Kevin Pietersen | CricketLeads

 

[centurymaker]

He was a 22 year old opener. Kohli played in England at 26 batting middle order stop spouting shite.

Kohli was 25 in England actually.
And Root had turned 23 during the last Ashes Series in Australia, so the respective age gap was not what you are making it out to be. And when was Root an opener? If I remember correctly, he used to bat at no 6 and then was promoted to no.3...

 

[ImpatientLime]

pietersen going full fume because root is already eclipsing him.

 

[Adders]

He did open during the home 2013 Ashes, but went to 3 during the Aussie one.

 

[Zinzan]

pietersen going full fume because root is already eclipsing him.

Nah, I just don't think he places a weighting on Tests above the other forms, & let's be honest, if we did treat the 3 forms equally, Kohli's easily the best bat in the world atm, even if Root is probably the best Test batsman right now.

 

[Dan_M_Bali]

Both are great. Kohli seems to have less of a tendency to get out to **** balls than Root.

Root has been out numerous times to left arm wide toilet balls from both Mitchells.

However, huge question marks still hang over Kohli's ability to bat in swinging conditions where the ability to leave is so crucial.

One thing is for certain, they are both better to watch than Smith.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Both are great. Kohli seems to have less of a tendency to get out to **** balls than Root.

Root has been out numerous times to left arm wide toilet balls from both Mitchells.

However, huge question marks still hang over Kohli's ability to bat in swinging conditions where the ability to leave is so crucial.

One thing is for certain, they are both better to watch than Smith.

What are you saying? One of the biggest kohli's weakness was that he chased the ball outside off getting nicks. He started to leave the ball outside off now far better only recently.

 

[Dan_M_Bali]

What are you saying? One of the biggest kohli's weakness was that he chased the ball outside off getting nicks. He started to leave the ball outside off now far better only recently.

I think Root has a slight technical glitch whereby his bat gets a bit skewed chasing wide full deliveries coming across him. Seems to play the ball with a really open face causing it to go up. Just needs to make sure he's on the front foot when playing the shot.

 

[vcs]

I think Root has a slight technical glitch whereby his bat gets a bit skewed chasing wide full deliveries coming across him. Seems to play the ball with a really open face causing it to go up. Just needs to make sure he's on the front foot when playing the shot.

Yes, remember Mitchell Johnson bothering him a bit with the angle from over the wicket going away from the right-hander.

 

[Bijed]

I think Root has a slight technical glitch whereby his bat gets a bit skewed chasing wide full deliveries coming across him. Seems to play the ball with a really open face causing it to go up. Just needs to make sure he's on the front foot when playing the shot.

Yeah, he nicked off to some pretty wide deliveries from Starc in last year's ashes (3 instances spring to mind) and he did the same off Johnson at Lords. Got out in similar fashion in the recent Pakistan series and when we toured the UAE, which meant he was facing Rahat, Wahab, Amir etc.

 

[Furball]

Root tends to get overrated in test cricket. 8 of his 11 tons have come in England. He has a ton in SA vs an attack that didn't have Steyn or Philander, has failed in Australia and New Zealand(Kohli has only failed in England and dominated in Aus/NZ). Away from their respective homes, both Kohli and Root have very similar averages with the difference being Kohli has 9 tons in 50 innings whereas Root has 3 tons in 40 innings.

Right now you'd probably have Root marginally ahead based on the strength of their overall averages in tests but you must factor that Kohli has played on some absolute rank turners, pitches where the likes of Amla and Abd struggled to put bat to ball. I expect Kohli's average to increase a couple of points and Root's to go down a couple of points once he goes outside England and then it'll be very debatable as to who the better test batsman is.

In ODIs it is a no contest. Kohli is the best ODI batsman after Viv, Tendulkar, Ponting.

Root faced Starc and Hazlewood on a pitch where the opposition had been bowled out for 60 and scored 130.

 

[listento_me]

The discussion has moved onto the big year that Kohli has had and there's no denying it's been an exceptional year, especially in terms of those ODI numbers, an average of 90 plus is staggering. Yet he has only won 4 of the 10 ODIs and 3 of them are at home against NZ.

Back to Root, of the 15 ODIs for England this year, he has won 9 all against better opposition than Kohli. And the impression that some are saying on here of Root not being as exciting..the guy has actually hit more boundaries (47 to 31).

This is becoming a titanic battle on all fronts and I'm all for Kohli improving his test numbers to start rivaling Root.

Now, while we discuss what may be the Gatti v Ward of cricket, whatever happened to Smith?

His average is still very good this year but he has presided over a number of destructive losses and at times, looked shaken. He hasn't always been a technical genius either or easy on the eye so there isn't that saving grace for him.

Williamson, probably the most technically gifted and pleasant on the eye of this fab four has also had a bit of a muddled year. Decent average but no great innings and a one solitary century against an absolute minnow.

Has the battlefield cleared and are the last two standing Root and Kohli? Or is there a second win for the other two?

 

[Furball]

I was under the impression Root and Kohli took the field with 10 team mates.

 

[Rootfan]

He was a 22 year old opener. Kohli played in England at 26 batting middle order stop spouting shite.

1)Root was 23 at some point during the Aus tour.
2)Kohli was not yet 26 at that time.
3)Root did not open even once in that Aus tour.

Please stop lying.

 

[Rootfan]

The discussion has moved onto the big year that Kohli has had and there's no denying it's been an exceptional year, especially in terms of those ODI numbers, an average of 90 plus is staggering. Yet he has only won 4 of the 10 ODIs and 3 of them are at home against NZ.

Back to Root, of the 15 ODIs for England this year, he has won 9 all against better opposition than Kohli. And the impression that some are saying on here of Root not being as exciting..the guy has actually hit more boundaries (47 to 31).

This is becoming a titanic battle on all fronts and I'm all for Kohli improving his test numbers to start rivaling Root.

Now, while we discuss what may be the Gatti v Ward of cricket, whatever happened to Smith?

His average is still very good this year but he has presided over a number of destructive losses and at times, looked shaken. He hasn't always been a technical genius either or easy on the eye so there isn't that saving grace for him.

Williamson, probably the most technically gifted and pleasant on the eye of this fab four has also had a bit of a muddled year. Decent average but no great innings and a one solitary century against an absolute minnow.

Has the battlefield cleared and are the last two standing Root and Kohli? Or is there a second win for the other two?

It seems to me that you are just trying to stir crap and provoke people especially Root and Kohli fans. Regardless of who is better of the two, both will end up better than UAE Khan who averages 40 outside the subcontinent and will end up better than Miandad as well who was a dud against the best team of his time. Cut it out.

 

[GIMH]

Username: Rootfan
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Thanks

 

[Rootfan]

Yes because Root has to mean Joe Root. Someone with a username like GIMH shouldn't even talk about usernames anyway. Also, is never said Root sucks. Looks like the poms here are constantly on the lookout for an argument if you don't subscribe to the view that Murray and Eoot are gods.

 

[GIMH]

What's wrong with the username GIMH yo?

 

[Zinzan]

The discussion has moved onto the big year that Kohli has had and there's no denying it's been an exceptional year, especially in terms of those ODI numbers, an average of 90 plus is staggering. Yet he has only won 4 of the 10 ODIs and 3 of them are at home against NZ.

Back to Root, of the 15 ODIs for England this year, he has won 9 all against better opposition than Kohli. And the impression that some are saying on here of Root not being as exciting..the guy has actually hit more boundaries (47 to 31).

This is becoming a titanic battle on all fronts and I'm all for Kohli improving his test numbers to start rivaling Root.

Now, while we discuss what may be the Gatti v Ward of cricket, whatever happened to Smith?

His average is still very good this year but he has presided over a number of destructive losses and at times, looked shaken. He hasn't always been a technical genius either or easy on the eye so there isn't that saving grace for him.

Williamson, probably the most technically gifted and pleasant on the eye of this fab four has also had a bit of a muddled year. Decent average but no great innings and a one solitary century against an absolute minnow.

Has the battlefield cleared and are the last two standing Root and Kohli? Or is there a second win for the other two?

I personally like a lot of posters here (rightly or wrongly), place a heavy weighting on Test cricket when rating International players overall.

My weightings are probably 60% Tests, 30% ODIs & 10% T20s, so for that reason I do have the Root & Kohli battle as very close since Root is the better Test player currently for mine.

If however, I was rating the forms equally, or even a little more evenly than above, then Kohli would be ahaead hands-down, based on the fact he's on another planet than Root when it comes to either ODIs or T20s.

IIRC, you previously made an argument that Root is not far off Kohli in ODIs, and I find that quite laughable. If you can't see Kohli is only rivaled by AB when it comes to white ball cricket, with both being among the best 4-5 ODI bats ever, then you just can't be looking at it objectively.