Joe Root v Virat Kohli

[Shri]

Tendulkar
Lara
Richards
Kohli
Dhoni +
de Villiers
Flintoff
Warne
Akram
Muralitharan
McGrath

 

[Dan_M_Bali]

Root is also a v. good ODI player and was an unheralded star of England's run to the 20/20 WC final.

 

[Victor Ian]

Roots conversion rate is a concern.

I'm not taking issue with this, rather just raising a question.

It could be that Root has an awesome conversion of mid range innings. So he has 11 50's and 11 hundreds, but you see 23 50's because he did not throw away so many innings that other batsmen would have got out for 30. If he did extra well to take a 30 to a 50 you can't then penalise him for not taking that 50 to a 100.

Is there something wrong with conversion rate analysis?

 

[Shri]

If people had looked at Kohli's batting today, they would say he is better than Root.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

If people had looked at Kohli's batting today, they would say he is better than Root.

If people look at Kohli in England they would think he was a number 11.

 

[Rootfan]

If people want to see Ponting, they should watch Root bat in England. If people want to see Chris Martin, they should watch Root in NZ. Root is Harbhajan Singhesque in Aus, so that makes for good viewing too.

 

[mackembhoy]

How can you say you don't think Root can emulate Kohlis ODI numbers? All of the evidence thus far shows he can.

Like I said already, it's a lot closer in ODIs in terms of skill set but lets not get bogged down by this whole "but but Kohli and ODIs yar"

Fact of the matter is that at 25, 3 years younger and at least 2-3 years shy of his physical prime as a batsman, Root has already become a better test batsman and is at the very least comparable elsewhere.

In terms of comparison it's fair to say Root could emulate Kohli in ODI and T20i cos Root has more runs than kohli did in both formats at the same stage. But lets do the numbers.

ODI

After 73 innings

Kohli 2968 runs @47.11 8 tons 19 50s SR 83.96
Root 3017 runs @45.71 8 tons 17 50s SR 85.51

Kohli has since scored 4602 runs@57.52 18 tons 19 50s SR 95.16


T2OIs

After 19 innings.

Kohli 587 runs @34.52 4 50s SR 130.44
Root 600 runs @37.50 4 50s SR 137.29

Kohli has since scored 1070 runs @89.16 12 50s SR 138.42


As much as it would be amazing to say Root can match that. You'd be a very stupid man to bet on it.

Just shows how dominate Kohli has been in recent years in white ball cricket.

That Root who isn't even talked about one of the best white ball batsman, has more runs at the same stage than the best managed.

 

[Shri]

*Dominant

 

[mackembhoy]

*Dominant

It was nearly the perfect post. God dammit

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Root is also a v. good ODI player and was an unheralded star of England's run to the 20/20 WC final.

His knock vs SA was a treat to watch. Maybe underrated T20 player

Joe Root Innings for England V South Africa Video ICC WT20 2016

 

[Gob]

This thread is painful to read. I think as it stands Root is still the better test player but Kohli is starting to deliver it in test cricket especially at home as we all expected him to deliver and that average will rise well in to the 50s which in a way is a good thing because then i won't have to pull my hair out whenever some one mentions the big four.

 

[listento_me]

In terms of comparison it's fair to say Root could emulate Kohli in ODI and T20i cos Root has more runs than kohli did in both formats at the same stage. But lets do the numbers.

ODI

After 73 innings

Kohli 2968 runs @47.11 8 tons 19 50s SR 83.96
Root 3017 runs @45.71 8 tons 17 50s SR 85.51

Kohli has since scored 4602 runs@57.52 18 tons 19 50s SR 95.16


T2OIs

After 19 innings.

Kohli 587 runs @34.52 4 50s SR 130.44
Root 600 runs @37.50 4 50s SR 137.29

Kohli has since scored 1070 runs @89.16 12 50s SR 138.42


As much as it would be amazing to say Root can match that. You'd be a very stupid man to bet on it.

Just shows how dominate Kohli has been in recent years in white ball cricket.

That Root who isn't even talked about one of the best white ball batsman, has more runs at the same stage than the best managed.

You're acting as if Kohlis numbers are unheard of in modern day ODI cricket but Dhoni, AB and Amla, the prime ODI batsman of the mdoern era, all have similar or superior numbers.

I see no reason why Root can't match those numbers, especially is he starts playing more ODIs in Asia. An averae of 50 shouldn't be exceptionally hard to come by in this day and age.

Now, if we were comparing what AB has done in ODI cricket against Root then I'd reconsider.

His knock vs SA was a treat to watch. Maybe underrated T20 player

Joe Root Innings for England V South Africa Video ICC WT20 2016

Root is certainly a very good t20 batsman but Kohlis ability to rotate the strike and score at a reasonable rate without the Afridi style ability to smash balls into the stratosphere is something Root will be unable to emulate or surpass.

This thread is painful to read. I think as it stands Root is still the better test player but Kohli is starting to deliver it in test cricket especially at home as we all expected him to deliver and that average will rise well in to the 50s which in a way is a good thing because then i won't have to pull my hair out whenever some one mentions the big four.

It's not our problem you have difficulty reading.

 

[vcs]

Virat Kohli: A batting automaton | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Cricinfo comments, insightful as ever:

Good article, explained well about kohli the world best batsman

Merlins beard !! this writing gets the Golden Wand at Hogwarts !!

Kohli has improved his stats in tests this year

100 for country, 69 for anushka

 

[harsh.ag]

"100 for country, 69 for anushka"

 

[listento_me]

Virat Kohli: A batting automaton | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Cricinfo comments, insightful as ever:

The fact that at 28 Kohli is edging up towards becoming a truly top class test batsman is saying something. Most great batsmen have solidified themselves as such by that age and have hit their strides and their prime.

Kohli may well end up with an avg touching 50 at the end of this home run but once he is back in England...well you know.

 

[vcs]

The fact that at 28 Kohli is edging up towards becoming a truly top class test batsman is saying something. Most great batsmen have solidified themselves as such by that age and have hit their strides and their prime.

Kohli may well end up with an avg touching 50 at the end of this home run but once he is back in England...well you know.

No.. I don't know actually. Maybe you have a crystal ball.

 

[listento_me]

No.. I don't know actually. Maybe you have a crystal ball.

Kohli, 5 tests in England, average of 13, highest score of 39

General away average of 44

so you know? right?

 

[vcs]

Kohli, 5 tests in England, average of 13, highest score of 39

General away average of 44

so you know? right?

Yes, because batsmen have never improved their average while touring a country on their second attempt. How did I ever miss that?

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Kohli, 5 tests in England, average of 13, highest score of 39

General away average of 44

so you know? right?

As insightful as cricinfo comments. Well done.

 

[Rootfan]

Kohli, 5 tests in England, average of 13, highest score of 39

General away average of 44

so you know? right?

Kohli can always bump it back up by playing in Aus/NZ/SA. What will Root do? He sucks in both Aus and NZ.

Number of hundreds by Kohli away from the SC :8
Number of hundreds by UAE Khan (YK) outside Asia excluding Zim : 5
Number of hundreds by Root in Asia : 1. Number of hundreds by Root outside the SC outside England : 2