The Forgotten Tie: 25 Years On

[Burgey]

I recall AB having furious words with one of the umpires who threatened to send him off the field. AB was talking to him with Boon, his VC.

AB apparently replied along the lines of "You can't send me off the field", then turned to Boonie and said "Can he?"

"I dunno AB".

Or some such thing.

It was a great, great test match.

 

[The Sean]

I recall AB having furious words with one of the umpires who threatened to send him off the field. AB was talking to him with Boon, his VC.

AB apparently replied along the lines of "You can't send me off the field", then turned to Boonie and said "Can he?"

"I dunno AB".

Or some such thing.

It was a great, great test match.

Ha ha, had never heard that one. I'd heard the AB-Deano encounter ("Let's get a real Australian, let's get a Queenslander"), and that alone was enough to send it to legendary status.

 

[Burgey]

Ha ha, had never heard that one. I'd heard the AB-Deano encounter ("Let's get a real Australian, let's get a Queenslander"), and that alone was enough to send it to legendary status.

The interesting thing, with regard to longer term ramifications for Australia, was Border declared twice in that match and nearly got run down.

After that, he pretty well only ever declared at Customs.

 

[gvenkat]

Meh, Shastri told a blatant lie when he said that he didn't see the umpire raise his finger. I'll take everything else he has to say with a pinch of salt.

Correct, Even I was bemused. But everything else from him is exciting.. Esp the Way he walked in to bat when Kapil Got out and how he went the other way

 

[gvenkat]

I recall AB having furious words with one of the umpires who threatened to send him off the field. AB was talking to him with Boon, his VC.

AB apparently replied along the lines of "You can't send me off the field", then turned to Boonie and said "Can he?"

"I dunno AB".

Or some such thing.

It was a great, great test match.

And Steve's Classic " Great I cost us the match" and for the last ball when he would say " Hit it anywhere not to me" or something like that..

 

[Top_Cat]

Tim Zoehrer's autobio has a lot to say about the last day of this Test when he had a run-in with one of the Indian players but a lot of it is pretty off-colour stuff. Any interest in me typing it up?

 

[gvenkat]

Tim Zoehrer's autobio has a lot to say about the last day of this Test when he had a run-in with one of the Indian players but a lot of it is pretty off-colour stuff. Any interest in me typing it up?

Go for it mate.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Was there a lot of controversy over the umpire adjudging the last man out? I thought it was strange that the umpire maintains that it was a 'fair decision'. I don't see what fairness has to do with it? You either get it correct or you get it wrong, depending on what your senses percieve at the time. It isn't a vexing problem where you consider the pros and cons at leisure, and then come to a decision that, in your view, is fair to all involved.

 

[Burgey]

Was there a lot of controversy over the umpire adjudging the last man out? I thought it was strange that the umpire maintains that it was a 'fair decision'. I don't see what fairness has to do with it? You either get it correct or you get it wrong, depending on what your senses percieve at the time. It isn't a vexing problem where you consider the pros and cons at leisure, and then come to a decision that, in your view, is fair to all involved.

Shastri is adamant there was an inside edge. I'm not sure what maninder says. AB said there "may have been a hint of an inside edge" or wtte.

You can't really see from the footage because the camera is quite low and Matthews is in the way.

 

[nsniks]

Well maninder singh said in an interview that there was an inside edge

 

[honestbharani]

yeah but sorta see what Hoe says here.. An LBW decision as a stand alone has nothing to do with fainess. Detecting if there was an inside edge or not has more to do with correctness than fairness.

 

[Burgey]

yeah but sorta see what Hoe says here.. An LBW decision as a stand alone has nothing to do with fainess. Detecting if there was an inside edge or not has more to do with correctness than fairness.

Yes awta, but I don't know whether the umpire means "fair" as in what we would say here "fair enough, that's out" - meaning correct, or not.

Should say its a fine read, that piece. And it's great there's so much footage of it available now. Part five of that video on YT, pretty much all the last day - is hilarious. Some of the clashes between the players are gold. They'd cop a year for some of that these days.

Also reinforced what I'd long thought, that Tim Zoehrer was something of a ****.

 

[Sanz]

Ha ha, had never heard that one. I'd heard the AB-Deano encounter ("Let's get a real Australian, let's get a Queenslander"), and that alone was enough to send it to legendary status.

India V Australia 2nd Tied match in history of cricket1986-5 - YouTube

Starts at about 2:00 min. This is funny stuff. Also watch Chetan Sharma & Tim Zohrer incident. Hillarious

 

[Sanz]

Was there a lot of controversy over the umpire adjudging the last man out? I thought it was strange that the umpire maintains that it was a 'fair decision'. I don't see what fairness has to do with it? You either get it correct or you get it wrong, depending on what your senses percieve at the time. It isn't a vexing problem where you consider the pros and cons at leisure, and then come to a decision that, in your view, is fair to all involved.

I don't remember any controversy, I don't believe there was one outside of the dressing room or outside of the BCCI circles.

As a kid, I remember watching the game and I didn't for a moment believe that there was anything wrong with the decision, nor did any anyone that was watching the game with us that day. We all thought that Maninder was plumb.

Was there a nick ? Who knows, it was hard to tell, at least not something I remember was ever confirmed then through replays. The accounts of Shastri and Maninder, from the match, are overly exaggerated and basically passing the blame onto Raju. Maninder says that he saw umpires fingers going up even before he played the ball, Shastri says he never saw the umpire giving his decision. Both the accounts are exaggerated to the point of being wrong.

Umpire Raju did his job, He gave a good decision in a tough situation. Was it the most correct decision, well we will never know. Is it right to call it a "Fair" decision ? Yes, since it is impossible to concluded if the decision was wrong/right, Fair is the right word to describe the decision.

 

[Furball]

Was there a lot of controversy over the umpire adjudging the last man out? I thought it was strange that the umpire maintains that it was a 'fair decision'. I don't see what fairness has to do with it? You either get it correct or you get it wrong, depending on what your senses percieve at the time. It isn't a vexing problem where you consider the pros and cons at leisure, and then come to a decision that, in your view, is fair to all involved.

I thought that it was more a poor choice of word from a man who didn't speak English as his first language - in the documentary O@P linked to he says that Maninder Singh was plumb in front and the ball bat was nowhere near the ball.

edit: worth noting that Maninder Singh hinted that Indian umpires were so keen to be seen as neutral and impartial that they were inadvertantly giving rough decisions against India. So Raju calling it a "fair" decision makes sense - he thought Maninder was plumb lbw and gave him as such.

 

[gvenkat]

If you watch in the documentary AB would say there could have been an inside edge and he said he was going for the ball/catch, So maybe there was and the umpire missed it.

But Shastri and Maninder made a case as if he had an axe to grind. Which was not the case.

 

[Sanz]

Yes, There is no denying that there could be an edge, but Border was in a much better position to hear it than the Umpires. Either case, it was not like the Aussie players didn't appeal, they did appeal, look at Zoherer, it was a pretty good appeal and it did look plumb.

I don't like Maninder's comments in the video, He couldn't score 1 run and blaming the umpire is just poor sportsmanship.