Trouble in the English camp : Pietersen Vs Moores!?

[GIMH]

Flintoff wasn't terrible, no, but Strauss was clearly better, so to give it to Flintoff on a "he had it first" basis just doesn't work for me; give it to the best man for the job. Like when Jayawardene kept the SL captaincy.

 

[Anil]

I'd be interested to read more about what happened here...too bad KP's already done his autobiography.

Why write one before your career's over?

he can always write a sequel...

 

[grecian]

Actually, they* do like to tack a few chapters on it and re-release it when they're in the news.






* Slebs & Sportsman, not sure which KP is

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Just wow.

 

[Redbacks]

didn't Fletcher's autobiography leave a sour taste in some of the players' mouths?

 

[chalky]

Most of the English press are reporting that it was 'Flintoff who got Pietersen sacked'.

Headlines are a bit sensationalist but it looks like Flintoff did contribute as when opinions, of the players, where asked of Pietersen's captaincy by the ECB Flintoff & his 'supporters' where extremely negative.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1108901/Flintoff-leads-mutiny--Pietersen-forced-team-mates.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article5470204.ece


I wonder what the odds are that if performances & results go **** up leading into the Ashes Vaughan will be asked to take the captaincy back ala Brearley?

 

[Zinzan]

SA are in a better position than England to turn down players they don't like. Just say the SA middle order in four years looks like this: Amla, Prince, De Villiers, Duminy. Which of those players do you tell to shift to make room for the prodigal son?
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True, although in fairness there's a hell of a lot more talent in SA than English cricket. I mean they'll normally grant anyone from overseas citizenship, most classic example being Pattinson.

 

[Redbacks]

Pattinson is English

 

[Zinzan]

Pattinson is English

You be correct there, I stand corrected. For some reason I thought he was Aussie-born.

 

[Spikey]

You be correct there, I stand corrected. For some reason I thought he was Aussie-born.

His younger bother is!

 

[Hoggy31]

As long as he's not English!

 

[Richard]

didn't Fletcher's autobiography leave a sour taste in some of the players' mouths?

Just journalists, AFAIK. They never liked him ITFP so were never likely to miss the chance to paint him in a bad light when he painted them in a bad light.

 

[Richard]

Pattinson is English

Pattinson isn't English, he's just England-born. He lived in Australia for 23 years between the ages of 6 and 29. That in my book makes him Australian and nothing but Australian. Where you were born is irrelevant; what matters is where you've been.

 

[Zinzan]

I am distraught

Overreaction of the century to be perfectly honest. Its not he's not going to play for England again, he just won't be captain, which I'm not convinced he was that suitable anyway, but just the best man at the time.

"Distraught" is being a Pakistan fan, & following a team that hasn't played a test for over a year, or a New Zealand fan who lose the only world class pace bowler they've had for over 20 years to the ICL never to play again.

Maybe 'disappointed' is the word you were looking for

 

[four_or_six]

His younger bother is!

As long as he's not English!

Shame really... isn't he supposed to be a pretty good young talent?

 

[Richard]

Most of the English press are reporting that it was 'Flintoff who got Pietersen sacked'.

Headlines are a bit sensationalist but it looks like Flintoff did contribute as when opinions, of the players, where asked of Pietersen's captaincy by the ECB Flintoff & his 'supporters' where extremely negative.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1108901/Flintoff-leads-mutiny--Pietersen-forced-team-mates.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article5470204.ece

Funny, you know, Bob Willis was mentioning the "packs" (I think "cliques" is a deliberately negative-insuating term in a way that's plain wrong) of the England team yesterday. The likes of Vaughan, Trescothick, Collingwood and Strauss were all big Duncan Fletcher men; Flintoff and Harmison were apparently less keen on him, so were a bit more welcoming of Peter Moores. Now Pietersen has been so obviously derogatory about Moores, they were never exactly likely to take kindly to that, were they?

 

[Richard]

"Distraught" is being a New Zealand fan who lose the only world class pace bowler they've had for over 20 years to the ICL never to play again.

If you're being distraught about losing a year or (at best) two of (mostly irrelevant) ODI-playing from such a bowler, it's a little worrying.

 

[Prince EWS]

Pattinson isn't English, he's just England-born. He lived in Australia for 23 years between the ages of 6 and 29. That in my book makes him Australian and nothing but Australian. Where you were born is irrelevant; what matters is where you've been.

Doesn't this completely contradict the fact that you consider yourself Welsh?

 

[zaremba]

Funny, you know, Bob Willis was mentioning the "packs" (I think "cliques" is a deliberately negative-insuating term in a way that's plain wrong) of the England team yesterday. The likes of Vaughan, Trescothick, Collingwood and Strauss were all big Duncan Fletcher men; Flintoff and Harmison were apparently less keen on him, so were a bit more welcoming of Peter Moores. Now Pietersen has been so obviously derogatory about Moores, they were never exactly likely to take kindly to that, were they?

All extraordinarily unhealthy.

An absolutely fundamental part of the role of the captains and ex-captains concerned - MPV, Collingwood and KP - was to seek to bring about team unity rather than divisions and cliques. Their failure to do so, and indeed their readiness to do precisely the opposite, is not to their credit.

It's not a new thing of course. MPV's autobiography gives an interesting picture of the England side the team included an old boy brigade of senior players which had the effect of making the team an unwelcoming place for newcomers. Hussain (and ex-captains Stewart and Atherton who IIRC were still around at the time and who should have done more to prevent this happening) take the blame for that.

 

[Prince EWS]

Shame really... isn't he supposed to be a pretty good young talent?

Yep, he's pretty highly rated as a young cricketer. He's only played one (IIRC?) First Class game and I haven't seen him at all yet but he's certainly getting a bit of a reputation as someone to watch.

It'd be humerous (albeit ridiculously unlikely) if he had a meteoric rise to the Australian team and his brother was recalled to the England team just before an Ashes series. I don't think brothers on opposite sides has ever happened in a Test, although I could be wrong.