Trouble in the English camp : Pietersen Vs Moores!?

[four_or_six]

Actually, thinking it through, there's precious little doubt that the best thing for England would be for Vaughan to take the Test captaincy back and Duncan Fletcher to return to the coach's job. Obviously the possibility of such a thing is somewhere along the lines of 0.3848374%, but I honestly don't think there's one better option.

Duncan Fletcher's skill was always his ability to pour oil on the troubled waters, and get the best out of all players, however different their character may be. How England could do with the like of him now.

No way is Fletcher and Vaughan coming back a good idea. You can't just go backwards and hope things are the same as they were.

Best option of a bad load of options is Strauss, with a stop-gap appointment for the WI tour as coach. A new coach can then come in straight after at the beginning of the summer.

 

[superkingdave]

Strauss just left Lords AWS

 

[four_or_six]

Strauss just left Lords AWS

As in, he went for a net at his home ground, and Sky Sports News is going to show it on a loop for the next three hours with 'experts' describing how the way he walked tells us how he's just been offered the captaincy?

 

[superkingdave]

As in, he went for a net at his home ground, and Sky Sports News is going to show it on a loop for the next three hours with 'experts' describing how the way he walked tells us how he's just been offered the captaincy?

gave his wife a kiss in the car which had 'i'm england captain' all over it

 

[susudear]

Lol at first, interesting next

Part of me thinks ECB should just appoint Cook captain. Sure he's young but not that young, he's obviously the long term option. He's not in the ODI side but seriously you could interchange him and Ian Bell at the top of the order and its not like we'd suddenly drop in quality, we're ****ing **** at ODI cricket anyway.

So yeah drop Bell from both forms and make Cook captain and have him perform the Bell absorb the powerplay overs role in ODI's

In fact I first Loled

But then, if such a douche-bag-at-the-beginning Smith could transform into such an inspiring one, no reason why Cook cannot.

 

[zaremba]

But then, if such a douche-bag-at-the-beginning Smith could transform into such an inspiring one, no reason why Cook cannot.

I'm finding it difficult to imagine two more different characters than Smith and Cook.

 

[ozone]

In fact I first Loled

But then, if such a douche-bag-at-the-beginning Smith could transform into such an inspiring one, no reason why Cook cannot.

I'm finding it difficult to imagine two more different characters than Smith and Cook.

Pietersen and Cook?

 

[Sanz]

Good Thing for English Cricket. KP doesn't take 'No' very well and this situation was going to happen sooner or later. I am glad that it happened sooner rather than later. Moores is a victim of KP's SuperPower. Hard to blame ECB when you have a captain who behaves like a 5 year old who is denied his toys.

I would make Cook the captain and stick with him, the guy may be young, but every time I hear him talk or watch him play, he has leadership written all over him.

 

[zaremba]

Pietersen and Cook?

'Spose so.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

We're doing a great job to look like the Pakistan Cricket team right now. Thats not a good thing

I'm surprised both went. I think most people were just expecting Moores to go and Pietersen to keep the captaincy. The most important thing is that we get the team unified and Pietersen keeps his form as a batsmen. At least this happened now and not a month before the Ashes

Cook should get nowhere near the captaincy atm while he's still trying to learn his game from a batsmens POV. Theres only really Strauss left whos got the right amount of experience and also has a relatively steady position in the team. But then who will become the One day captain? so many questions! Its all very exciting though if a little scary too

 

[Bees]

I know this is a ridiculous post, but I'm gonna let it fly:

If KP rejoined the Saffies, and Boucher retired...

Smith
Amla
Pietersen
Kallis
AB (wk)
Duminy
Prince
Morkel
Harris
Steyn
Ntini







What a dream team!

 

[susudear]

Coach

No way is Fletcher and Vaughan coming back a good idea. You can't just go backwards and hope things are the same as they were.

Best option of a bad load of options is Strauss, with a stop-gap appointment for the WI tour as coach. A new coach can then come in straight after at the beginning of the summer.

Why need a stop gap coach? Why don't go without a coach at all? India did for almost an year in 2007, and won in England, the T20 cup, lost in Aus 2-1 and won the CB series. I think the players are mentally stuffed at this level to go without coaching atleast for the short term.

 

[ozone]

Considering all the options for the captaincy, I'm surprised so many people are choosing Cook. IMO, he offers less than Strauss would as captain, and the other options (primarily Vaughan, and Key) offer something very different and a bit left wing.

 

[Pothas]

Vaughan and Key really arent options, one of them will never want to be captain again and can't get in the team and the other should just never be in the team at alll

 

[susudear]

Character

I'm finding it difficult to imagine two more different characters than Smith and Cook.

I agree that Cook and Smith won't make the best room-mates, (perhaps they actually will! ).

But I am only talking about the potential that Cook has at this stage and I feel he is very under-rated.

He is into his 4th year of International cricket and knows the basics of what is happening out there.

Smith was in a much disadvantageous position when he was made at captain, at 22, with less than 10 tests of experience.

And there is nothing to suggest that Cook cannot be tactically as good as Smith is/was.

But for the short term solution, Strauss is the best bet.

I don't want Cook to be anywhere near captaincy till he has a stupendous series (averaging in the 70-80) and if that happens in the Ashes, that will give him superb confidence to lead the team.

It happened with Vaughan and I don't see why it cannot happen to Cook.

 

[ozone]

Vaughan and Key really arent options, one of them will never want to be captain again and can't get in the team and the other should just never be in the team at alll

Well, I wasn't saying I would select either of them but they are being touted and if they want something familiar, they could go back to Vaughan. As for Key, how he doesn't get more of a say is a mystery to me. He would slot in the side as a batsman at no. 3 and is easily the best English captain around ATM.

 

[zaremba]

Well, I wasn't saying I would select either of them but they are being touted and if they want something familiar, they could go back to Vaughan. As for Key, how he doesn't get more of a say is a mystery to me. He would slot in the side as a batsman at no. 3 and is easily the best English captain around ATM.

There's a better chance of Richard (Dickinson) being England captain than Michael Vaughan.

As for Key, the problem is that his position as captain would be continually undermined unless he could demonstrate that he could cut the mustard as a batsman. It's not out of the question that he could do this (he is a fine player) but it's a massive, and unnecessary, risk to take in the run-up to an Ashes series.

 

[wpdavid]

gave his wife a kiss in the car which had 'i'm england captain' all over it

The kiss or the car?

 

[Goughy]

Say NO to Key

 

[superkingdave]

Well, I wasn't saying I would select either of them but they are being touted and if they want something familiar, they could go back to Vaughan. As for Key, how he doesn't get more of a say is a mystery to me. He would slot in the side as a batsman at no. 3 and is easily the best English captain around ATM.

Its a sad situation if the best English captain leads his side to relegation in the championship (for the first time in its history IIRC)