Trouble in the English camp : Pietersen Vs Moores!?

[susudear]

I think both scenarios are pretty possible, i think its pretty clear that Pietersen hasn't acted very sensibly through this whole incident, he has been childish in his behaviour and the way he has handled this whole episode, Moores will move on to different things after this, but Pietersen has to be the part of the same English side, and lot of them might not have been too impressed with the way he has conducted himself.

So now its upto Pietersen really, what he wants to do, he surely would be English media' favourite punching bag for some time now, and it all now depends whether KP wants to play on for England now, because if he feels alienated after this incident he might decide to go back to South Africa and play for some province there and hope to play for the South Africans in the few years to come, because money won't be a problem for him, thanks to IPL and CL T20.

Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh

 

[pup11]

SA board might get him and register. However IPL authorities simply won't allow him to play in the league. It's not a given that BCCI are amazed by Kevin's starpower.

Last i heard, Modi was in a tussle with the ECB just to ensure KP and Flintoff play in the IPL...

 

[wpdavid]

I can't see that it's right to blame the ECB for this. KP was always an accident waiting to happen, irrespective of whether he'd been given the captaincy. His departure from SA showed exactly what would happen if things didn't go his way in England, and sure enough .... The ECB would have been far more in the wrong to have kept KP as skipper in these circumstances, and they've done right to sack him, whatever the consequences.

We could end up with the best of both worlds here, so long as KP stays in the side. Duff coach gone, and no egomanical skipper dictating who should be his replacement, which would have been a completely untenable position.

 

[Pothas]

What did I miss here? Did KP retire from England cricket?

I saw the captaincy stuff but as a player as well?

Anyway, I hate to say I told you so about this captaincy lark but...

Anyway, ECB a joke. They shouldnt be but they are. Its an easy enough thing to run. No excuses really.

As far as I can tell people are just getting and carried away (but i could be missing something)

Sporting authorities pretty much always are a bit of a joke arent they?

 

[pup11]

Pietersen's better than any of them, but i'd rather have all of them in my team if i were South Africa.

If the ECB don't want KP in the IPL, no qualification technicality will make the BCCI let him in. And four years down the line, aged 32, he'll be a bit of a forgotten man. Staying with England is his only viable option IMO.

They can't do anything like that, because it would be similar to South Africa telling BCCI not to let KP play in the IPL, once KP leaves English shores, ECB then no longer would have any ruling over his matters.

 

[Uppercut]

They can't do anything like that, because it would be similar to South Africa telling BCCI not to let KP play in the IPL, once KP leaves English shores, ECB then no longer would have any ruling over his matters.

I don't get why people think legal technicalities matter in the slightest. Look. Mr. ECB and Mr. BCCI are friends. Mr. ECB has helped out Mr. BCCI for a long time by not letting players assosciated with their black-sheep brother, Mr. ICL play for the country, and doing everything in their power to keep them out of the county championship. Suddenly, Mr. Pietersen wants to ditch Mr. ECB and get a money-spinning job with Mr. BCCI. Will Mr. BCCI employ him? I wouldn't ****ing bet on it.

 

[pup11]

I don't get why people think legal technicalities matter in the slightest. Look. Mr. ECB and Mr. BCCI are friends. Mr. ECB has helped out Mr. BCCI for a long time by not letting players assosciated with their black-sheep brother, Mr. ICL play for the country, and doing everything in their power to keep them out of the county championship. Suddenly, Mr. Pietersen wants to ditch Mr. ECB and get a money-spinning job with Mr. BCCI. Will Mr. BCCI employ him? I wouldn't ****ing bet on it.

Legal technicalities matter all right, and ECB would be the first one to tell you that, otherwise you won't have been seeing the ICL players running around playing county cricket.

 

[superkingdave]

Part of me thinks ECB should just appoint Cook captain. Sure he's young but not that young, he's obviously the long term option. He's not in the ODI side but seriously you could interchange him and Ian Bell at the top of the order and its not like we'd suddenly drop in quality, we're ****ing **** at ODI cricket anyway.

So yeah drop Bell from both forms and make Cook captain and have him perform the Bell absorb the powerplay overs role in ODI's

 

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the Bell absorb the powerplay overs role in ODI's

 

[Uppercut]

Legal technicalities matter all right, and ECB would be the first one to tell you that, otherwise you won't have been seeing the ICL players running around playing county cricket.

That's because counties tried to terminate the contracts of players who had taken part in the ICL. It's different from choosing not to sign someone you don't like.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Legal technicalities matter all right, and ECB would be the first one to tell you that, otherwise you won't have been seeing the ICL players running around playing county cricket.

You're right.

People forget that CSA are partners with the BCCI in the CLT20 tournament. The ECB are not. If Pietersen wants to play in the IPL as a South African represent, and CSA has no objections, the BCCI won't hesitate to dump ECB and side with CSA. There is absolutely no way Pietersen is going to be prevented from playing in the IPL, no matter what path he chooses.

 

[zaremba]

Part of me thinks ECB should just appoint Cook captain. Sure he's young but not that young, he's obviously the long term option. He's not in the ODI side but seriously you could interchange him and Ian Bell at the top of the order and its not like we'd suddenly drop in quality, we're ****ing **** at ODI cricket anyway.

So yeah drop Bell from both forms and make Cook captain and have him perform the Bell absorb the powerplay overs role in ODI's

This hadn't occurred to me (the prospect of KP leaving hadn't actually crossed my mind till I heard the news this morning). But it's not a mad idea. Cook is a fairly good bet for a long-term place in the side and as you say is the long-term option. He was the one they put forward to deliver the team's reasons for wanting to return to India and by all accounts was pretty impressive. And I can't see him leading a failed mutiny, shooting his mouth off in the News of The World or admitting that he's not tactically good enough to do his own job.

However Strauss is the option they will go with - they will want his experience in both the Windies and the Ashes, they need as much stability as they can get, and he's previously shown he's capable of doing the job. People will say that he doesn't deserve a place in the ODI or T20 squad but frankly that's vanishingly insignificant for me.

 

[Richard]

Let's just start by saying:

Oh dear.

Then let's say that all this "what-if"ing is pointless TSTL. Give it a few days before we start considering the possibility of what Pietersen's going to do after renouncing England for good.

As for the Test captain - surely, surely has to be Strauss?

 

[wpdavid]

However Strauss is the option they will go with - they will want his experience in both the Windies and the Ashes, they need as much stability as they can get, and he's previously shown he's capable of doing the job. People will say that he doesn't deserve a place in the ODI or T20 squad but frankly that's vanishingly insignificant for me.

Me too. Is Strauss really going to do a significantly poorer job at the top of the order than Bell or Cook? Or even Bopara from what we've seen so far?

The 'text' section of KP's mobile will be interesting today. Hopefully enough of the side will send him enough love to keep him onside.

 

[zaremba]

I can't see anyone particularly caring, but where next for Peter Moores?

My prediction: he'll become coach at Lancashire (he comes from a place called Macclesfield which I'm led to believe is located somewhere in a larger place called The North).

My other prediction is that Lancashire will within 2 seasons under his leadership win the County Championship that's eluded them for the last 350 years.

 

[Richard]

Me too. Is Strauss really going to do a significantly poorer job at the top of the order than Bell or Cook? Or even Bopara from what we've seen so far?

Yes. And what's more, the worry is that playing will once again damage his Test game, which is at last starting to once more look invaluable. Strauss should never again come near the ODI setup.

As I say, I think the ODI captaincy should be left for now. Worry about Tests and give it a while to think the ODI one over.

 

[superkingdave]

I can't see anyone particularly caring, but where next for Peter Moores?

My prediction: he'll become coach at Lancashire (he comes from a place called Macclesfield which I'm led to believe is located somewhere in a larger place called The North).

My other prediction is that Lancashire will within 2 seasons under his leadership win the County Championship that's eluded them for the last 350 years.

Its an interesting one, we''ve already cleared out the primadonnas for him (and apparently Flintoff gets on well with him) so he might find it okay with us. Not sure he's the man though.

 

[Richard]

I can't see anyone particularly caring, but where next for Peter Moores?

TBH, I really wish he'd never left the England Academy. Seems like for all money he did an excellent job there and judging by what's been written about him in the last few days, I can see why. When he has meek players who he can tell what to do with no answering back, there's no doubt he'll make almost all of them better players.

It's a real shame Duncan Fletcher was forced from office. A real, real shame. Unfortunately, you can't undo some mistakes once they're made.

 

[Richard]

Actually, thinking it through, there's precious little doubt that the best thing for England would be for Vaughan to take the Test captaincy back and Duncan Fletcher to return to the coach's job. Obviously the possibility of such a thing is somewhere along the lines of 0.3848374%, but I honestly don't think there's one better option.

Duncan Fletcher's skill was always his ability to pour oil on the troubled waters, and get the best out of all players, however different their character may be. How England could do with the like of him now.

 

[Uppercut]

Actually, thinking it through, there's precious little doubt that the best thing for England would be for Vaughan to take the Test captaincy back and Duncan Fletcher to return to the coach's job. Obviously the possibility of such a thing is somewhere along the lines of 0.3848374%, but I honestly don't think there's one better option.

Duncan Fletcher's skill was always his ability to pour oil on the troubled waters, and get the best out of all players, however different their character may be. How England could do with the like of him now.

But then we'd have a **** batsman back in the side.