nightprowler10
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For me its:Does no one rate Zaheer Abbas at all?
1) Inzamam / Miandad
3) Abbas
4) Hanif
For me its:Does no one rate Zaheer Abbas at all?
I think Zaheer Abbas was one of the two finest Pakistani batsmen of all time. Hanif being the other.Does no one rate Zaheer Abbas at all?
Where do you rate them compared to Inzi/Javed?I think Zaheer Abbas was one of the two finest Pakistani batsmen of all time. Hanif being the other.
Zaheer was the better stroke player of the two with magnificient driving as well as square of the wicket strokes. Great sense of timing and a real spectacle in full flow.
Haneef was a master technician with impregnable defence and very correct stroke play but no flamboyance. He was the way classical opening batsmen were generally accepted to be in those times. When he did play his strokes they were beautiful to watch.
Zaheer and Haneef were much better batsmen than Inzi and Javed.Where do you rate them compared to Inzi/Javed?
Mark Waugh fairly apt here, one feels.PS : I know Ponting both gives pleasure and has great stats but I couldn't think of a better Aussie example rightaway
Yes. I was going to put his name but I think most would have felt it was not such a difficult choice between him and Border (with most going for Border) as there was between Inzy and Javed.Mark Waugh fairly apt here, one feels.
Hey Bhupinder, If you are going to look at Statsguru to pick the best then check this out :-As much as I hate the person,I think the best Pakistani batsman ever has to be Saleem Malik because of his tremendous success against the best sides of his time(something which Inzamam,Miandad & Zaheer lacked).Malik averages 45 against West Indies,46 against Australia & 60 against England.Top 5 for me:
1.Saleem Malik
2.Hanif Mohammad
3.Inzamam-ul-Haq
4.Javed Miandad
5.Saeed Anwar
During Hanif's career,the best team in the world was England & he doesn't have a good enough record against them to be considered best Pakistani batsman ever.Hey Bhupinder, If you are going to look at Statsguru to pick the best then check this out :-
http://stats.cricinfo.com/guru?sdb=...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype
Brilliant!Damien Fleming said:One of my lasting memories of Inzy was during his last trip to Australia [2004-05]. The Australian press asked him what he felt about Glenn McGrath targetting him during the series. Inzy's response was, "Isn't that what bowlers do?" Always made his point in his own way without saying too much.
I notice no-one is placing Yousuf even in their top five, despite him having an average above 56...Top five for mine:
1. Javed
2. Inzi
3. Hanif
4. Zaheer
5. Saeed
Malik doesn't get consideration because hes a ratbag scum-bastard, or whatever the hell one calls match-fixers these days.
I would rate even Younis higher than Yousaf .Not only he has prformed better than Yousaf in Australia and SA but also surprisingly in India and Sri lanka as well.In fact Younis has a more balanced record than Inzimam as well .It will be interesting to see where Younis reaches before finishing his career.I notice no-one is placing Yousuf even in their top five, despite him having an average above 56...
Because Mohamamd Yousuf, despite being a run machine for the last couple of years, isn't actually as good as that average suggests. He has failed to perform against Australia, Sri Lanka and South Africa, the teams that posess the best bowlers.I notice no-one is placing Yousuf even in their top five, despite him having an average above 56...
Yousuf's career is not over yet, and I personally find it hard to rate players in such a manner until at least near the end of their careers. Its hard to take in the effects of the context of a player's achievements often until well after they end their playing careers. Its fair to say though that with the exit of Inzamam, Yousuf is likely to have more pressure placed on him as the premier batsman in the team for the next few years than he has ever had at any pint during his career. The way he is able to hadle this pressure will show a lot about him as a player imo.I notice no-one is placing Yousuf even in their top five, despite him having an average above 56...
And his scorebook average between December 2005 and October 2006 (he's only played 6 innings in the year since then) is grossly flattering in any case.Because Mohamamd Yousuf, despite being a run machine for the last couple of years, isn't actually as good as that average suggests. He has failed to perform against Australia, Sri Lanka and South Africa, the teams that posess the best bowlers.