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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Ian View Post
    What is your basis for declaring they were average when they rejoined? (hindsight is not allowed)

    Everyone starts as a 'minnow' (400 points).
    because 'rejoin' is different from 'start' - it has nothing to do with hindsight

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    It makes sfa difference to their rankings after a certain amount of time....That they were better than this is shown by their rapid improvement in rankings.
    That's not a good approach for ranking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Yes, I played around with that aspect of the ratings for a long time. In the end, starting everyone at 400 is fair. You cannot start Bangladesh and Zimbabwe at 500, for example. 500 represents a good test team. New Zealand have had three or four teams that have been rated above 500.
    From OP, I assumed 500 is average.

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    I would put this Indian team above the 2010 one if we can win the next match. The rating already has them above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    From OP, I assumed 500 is average.
    You can interpret 500 as "average" or "good." In both instances, it is not right that a team enters test cricket mid table. They have to prove themselves.


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    Nice work. The list is very similar to cricrate since my update to handle home/away and reduce jumpiness:
    cricrate | Current Ratings - Test Team

    (Mine isn't updated with Ind v Aus and ban vs SL yet)

    I'm in the process of scraping series status data - wondering if I should adjust for deciders/dead rubbers..
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    I first looked into the ICC rankings in 2008, working out their own ratings back to 1877 which was posted on Howstat's website (since taken down). Actually it was that feature which got my writing for CW.

    In 2010 I looked at improving their ratings, modifying them to account for a) success away from home and b) degree of dominance, which I based on RPW:-

    Improving the ICC Test Team Rating System | Cricket Web

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasingthedon View Post
    I first looked into the ICC rankings in 2008, working out their own ratings back to 1877 which was posted on Howstat's website (since taken down). Actually it was that feature which got my writing for CW.

    In 2010 I looked at improving their ratings, modifying them to account for a) success away from home and b) degree of dominance, which I based on RPW:-

    Improving the ICC Test Team Rating System | Cricket Web
    Yes, I have read your article and you did an excellent job there.

    I always thought the ICC system had another flaw in it where they base their ratings on a period of time. South Africa, as good as they were in the 1960s, only played two series, not enough to justify a number 1 ranking. If only they played the West Indies around 1966, what a series that would have been!

    In my system, your series score is added onto your ranking, which then either increases or decreases. There is no period limit. Series scores are adjusted by opposition and home/away. Adding in RPW difference was a little problematic, do I left it out. After all, winning by an innings but losing by one wicket in the next match will give you a 1-1 scoreline, which is what people will remember.

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    Update:

    India 624
    South Africa 598
    Australia 573
    New Zealand 515
    England 509
    Pakistan 501
    Sri Lanka 498
    West Indies 427
    Bangladesh 403
    Zimbabwe 350

    Three clear tiers have emerged but I expect England to move into 4th over their summer tests depending on how they do against South Africa. South Africa on the other hand can move closer to India for top spot if they win in England. An unlikely 4-0 series win would put them top.
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    Bangladesh still rightly in minnow territory in your rankings, DOG, which backs up every shred of available evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Bangladesh still rightly in minnow territory in your rankings, DOG, which backs up every shred of available evidence.
    They have come from a long way back.
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    Where were they two years ago?
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    In minnow territory

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    They were at 310 after losing a series at home to the West Indies in 2012.

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    Had a look at the excel. Not that even more proof was needed but SL has been sliding slowly over the last 10 years. The mini spike in 2013 is a couple of series v BD followed by the series win in Eng in '14. That spike towards the end of'16 is the 3-0 Aus win. I can't see this graph anywhere but further down in the next 5-10 years. #sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitalogy83 View Post
    Had a look at the excel. Not that even more proof was needed but SL has been sliding slowly over the last 10 years. The mini spike in 2013 is a couple of series v BD followed by the series win in Eng in '14. That spike towards the end of'16 is the 3-0 Aus win. I can't see this graph anywhere but further down in the next 5-10 years. #sad
    In terms of having international quality players the ODI team looks even worse (the graph is the aggregate player ratings):
    cricrate | Sri Lanka - ODI Player

    The SL ODI team hasn't been this talentless since the late 80s..

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