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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Anyway, I want to thank NUFAN for making the suggestion that Kallis didn't deserve 2 of his great innings. This has led me to recalculating how I rate innings.

    I am also incorporating innings-by-innings bowling averages for opposition bowling attacks.

    Thanks to the feedback from all of you, these ratings will only get better.
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    Brilliant work mate! Sorry for the extra work, but I imagine this thing is your baby now so its enjoyable to work on

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    Make an AFL top 25 and get 50 pages of replies, ****.
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    there have never been 25 good afl players fwiw
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    Amazing work DoG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Make an AFL top 25 and get 50 pages of replies, ****.
    Would get 50 pages for Wayne Carey alone and you know it ****.

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    So Garfield Sobers is closer to Ian Bell than he is to Don Bradman. I like that.
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    This English top three are cornflakes. They're not the most exciting thing out but they're pretty effective. Then the middle order are the sugar. Would be too much on their own but added to the cornflakes they add some much needed interest

    When KP returns he will be the banana..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    So Garfield Sobers is closer to Ian Bell than he is to Don Bradman. I like that.
    we can do better. How many points does andrew hilditch get?
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    I wonder how Younis' ranking is affected after that double.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    So Garfield Sobers is closer to Ian Bell than he is to Don Bradman. I like that.
    The same way that in terms of average, Viv Richards is closer to Chris Martin than he is to Bradman. Which is just ludicrous when you think about it.

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    Well done DoG. What a great list. Bradman a deserving winner, though greatest sportsman ever? That's hard to say, maybe do some stats?
    No it was very well done
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    This whole list was just fascinating, thought it was a wonderful attempt to quantify greatness.
    Couple of things bothered me, though.
    1) Capping career points doesn't really make sense to me, especially as it seems as though only Bradman, Lara and Tendulkar actually maxed out.
    2) Personally, one of the main things I look for in a great batsman is a balanced record in a wide variety of conditions, and not just an "away average" which can be misleading and mask a number of weaknesses in a player's record. It's why I consider Ponting,Lara, Tendulkar, Kallis to be so great, because they've scored heavily virtually everywhere, and it should count for something. Some sort of additional modifier where you penalise a batsman for having a sub 40/sub 35 average in a particular country could help.
    3) Maxing out quality points for cricketers who have played very few matches(<30 maybe) would even out the field as players like Headley get an unfair advantage here. While obviously a great batsman, averaging 50+ over 100 matches is infinitely more difficult than averaging 60 over 20 odd games.
    4) Instead of a "top opposition", the rating should take into consideration "top quality attack". (ie) It should take into account the quality of the bowlers against whom the runs were made instead of the ranking of the opposing team. I don't know if this is possible to formulate right now.... Maybe once you do a top 100 bowlers list?

    Overall, though, a fabulous formula and a great list. Excellent work
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    One of the comments you made in initially presenting your ratings was that you finally had a list you were happy with. Would you care to elaborate on what it was you were originally unhappy with and what you did to fix it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    The same way that in terms of average, Viv Richards is closer to Chris Martin than he is to Bradman. Which is just ludicrous when you think about it.
    No matter which way you slice it or dice it (or SRT fangirls spin it) Bradman is just so far ahead of the next best batsman it's almost unbelievable. There just aren't enough superlatives in the English language to do him justice. A cricketing freak of nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    No matter which way you slice it or dice it (or SRT fangirls spin it) Bradman is just so far ahead of the next best batsman it's almost unbelievable. There just aren't enough superlatives in the English language to do him justice. A cricketing freak of nature.

    And it is one of the cool things about being a cricket fan for me.. To watch the best in the world over my 25 years of watching the game and realize that there was a guy who was more than twice as good as these guys back in the 30s and 40s..
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    In the end, I think it's so utterly, incomprehensibly boring. There is so much context behind each innings of cricket that dissecting statistics into these small samples is just worthless. No-one has ever been faced with the same situation in which they come out to bat as someone else. Ever.
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