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    Out of the 100 how may have got any of the scores capped? IS it only SRT and BCL? If that is the case, I suggest to uncap the parameters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Given both players undoubted quality with the bat, and that you've got a cast of ATGs ahead of them in the batting order, you'd have to opt for the better keeper.

    So.... Mike Garnham it is?
    Healy or PJ then if last 30 years considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    The point is that everyone on this site knows what his average is without the gloves and he still doesn't make any first or second teams. Even as it is his average is literally brilliant, but he still isn't or wouldn't be seen as the best after Bradman.

    But we digress.

    So who is next Sobers or Headley. Still have to go with Headley at this juncture.
    IF he averages even 60 with the bat when he retires, he will be sure pick for ATG XI, just based on his average.

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    No cap for career points and that will bring Lara to 950 and SRT to 916


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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    IF he averages even 60 with the bat when he retires, he will be sure pick for ATG XI, just based on his average.
    I guarantee you he will not regardless of average. People will see him below even a Lara with an average of 52 and some probably still below G Pollock who only played 24 tests. I personally would still have him below Ponting as well. If average was everything Kallis would also be an automatic first team selection. Thankfully it's not.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Only WI players should be rated higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akilana View Post
    Only WI players should be rated higher.
    No you've got that wrong.

    Players with similar statistical claims to ATG WI players should also be rated higher, for the sake of the argument. They shouldn't be rated higher than the WI players themselves though because West Indies never lost a series when Malcolm Marshall opened the bowling and the average global temperature has risen as the amount of sea-dwelling pirates has fallen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    I guarantee you he will not regardless of average. People will see him below even a Lara with an average of 52 and some probably still below G Pollock who only played 24 tests. I personally would still have him below Ponting as well. If average was everything Kallis would also be an automatic first team selection. Thankfully it's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    Yeah, we know you have rose tinted views. But there are many who are reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    No you've got that wrong.

    Players with similar statistical claims to ATG WI players should also be rated higher, for the sake of the argument. They shouldn't be rated higher than the WI players themselves though because West Indies never lost a series when Malcolm Marshall opened the bowling and the average global temperature has risen as the amount of sea-dwelling pirates has fallen.
    You forgot that a higher strike rate renders all other factors irrelevant
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    Well yeah Tendy is probably better than Bradman, but Bradman was 70 years ago, if he grew up in the modern era he'd still easily be the best. Though he wasn't, can understand the argument for Tendy even though I don't agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akilana View Post
    Only WI players should be rated higher.
    Do you even come here to contribute and construct posts or just to make snarky responses to mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    No you've got that wrong.

    Players with similar statistical claims to ATG WI players should also be rated higher, for the sake of the argument. They shouldn't be rated higher than the WI players themselves though because West Indies never lost a series when Malcolm Marshall opened the bowling and the average global temperature has risen as the amount of sea-dwelling pirates has fallen.
    Less said to that the better.

    But I have posted many positive comments here for many non west indian players and critised many west indian players, but feel free to harp on about one post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    Yeah, we know you have rose tinted views. But there are many who are reasonable.
    Really?

    From you thats rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    You forgot that a higher strike rate renders all other factors irrelevant


    If you had posted this as a reply to BeeGee's post, it would have been gold..
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    3. George Headley (West Indies) (1930-1954)





    Career Length (Days): 8770
    Percentage of team's matches played: 49%
    Career Average: 60.83
    Adjusted career average: 67.61 (rank 2nd)
    Adjusted away average: 55.91 (rank 9th)
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 67.85 (rank 2nd)
    Top Tier centuries: 9 (rank 3rd=)
    Second tier centuries: 1
    Third tier centuries: 0
    Significant innings: 7
    Significant innings per match: 0.32

    Great innings: 3
    4th Test: West Indies v England at Kingston, Apr 3-12, 1930 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 14.87
    3rd Test: Australia v West Indies at Brisbane, Jan 16-20, 1931 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 13.57
    4th Test: West Indies v England at Kingston, Mar 14-18, 1935 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 17.28


    Innings worth average: 4.66 (rank 2nd)


    Quality Points: 767 (rank 2nd)
    Career Points: 77
    Peak Points: 91
    TOTAL POINTS: 935


    The wait is finally over. The wailing and gnashing of teeth and general bitching can come to a close. George Headley finally makes an appearance in this list at no.3. Why so high? Well, for one, he averaged over 60 with no consistent support and he never played against any minnows. His quality points, career average, and innings worth average are all second only to the Don. Having said all of that, I too believe that Headley is a bit too high in this list. As some posters have stated, it is a little weird having a batsman who averaged 67 over only 22 matches above a batsman who averaged 50+ having played more than 100 tests. I also think that some of the opposition that Headley played against should not be deemed top tier opposition and the second edition of this list will go some way towards rectifying that. My second edition will also involve a capping of quality points for batsmen who played less than 25 matches. If the maximum points allowed are 750 and 15 points are subtracted from this for every match less than 25, then Headley receives 705 quality points, which drops him to 12th in this list between Ponting and Chappell. This appears much more reasonable. Having said all that, Headley's outstanding record definitely deserves much respect and no one should begrudge him a place somewhere near the top of a list of the greatest test batsmen of all-time.
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