BCCI finally seems to getting it's act together.

[scorpio1990]

BCCI finally getting it's act together
Rattled BCCI looks at long-term recovery plan - The Times of India

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

The only reason they are losing is because of DRS.

 

[Arjun]

Also add Duncan Fletcher. Nearly a year and things have nosedived. It's not one or two players, but the whole team, including some of the best players of the time, struggling and dragging the team down. As someone says, it will end in tears. Maybe sooner. India need to stop looking for foreign coaches from a particular country (hang on, nobody wants Chaminda Vaas or Desmond Haynes as coach!) and groom a soon-to-retire or recently-retired Indian Test player as a coaching prospect.

A few things here and there can be excused, but a long-running collective failure, particularly since that one date, and you know something's amiss. Fletcher was a misfit in India anyway, and his appointment was rather questionable. At the very least, then.

 

[Shri]

Was seriously hoping Whatmore would take up the coaching job when Kirsten went.

 

[Daemon]

Barely any of the problems we're seeing with the Indian team right now can be blamed on the coach imo.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Watmore is pretty tough on his players. Would Indian super stars have coped. I am even worried about our own drama queens complaining about the work load under him.

 

[Shri]

Barely any of the problems we're seeing with the Indian team right now can be blamed on the coach imo.

It all went haywire when Kirsten left.

 

[Daemon]

It all went haywire when Kirsten left.

Coincidence imo.

How drastic an effect can a coach have? And if our top players need a good coach or they turn to utter ****, then that speaks volumes about them as professionals.

 

[Furball]

It all went haywire when Kirsten left.

Players lack hunger after winning the World Cup.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Also add Duncan Fletcher. Nearly a year and things have nosedived. It's not one or two players, but the whole team, including some of the best players of the time, struggling and dragging the team down. As someone says, it will end in tears. Maybe sooner. India need to stop looking for foreign coaches from a particular country (hang on, nobody wants Chaminda Vaas or Desmond Haynes as coach!) and groom a soon-to-retire or recently-retired Indian Test player as a coaching prospect.

A few things here and there can be excused, but a long-running collective failure, particularly since that one date, and you know something's amiss. Fletcher was a misfit in India anyway, and his appointment was rather questionable. At the very least, then.

Let me get this straight. Fletcher came in when..sometime after the World Cup, somewhere in May-June I reckon if memory serves me right. You attribute the losses in England to a guy who'd be in charge for less than 2 months? OK. Then Indian beat the WI at home, but obviously doesn't count. We're losing badly now, but instead of a malfunctioning batting order, three-four of which have been established players for 10 years or more, you're still finding bones to pick with Fletcher? Strange.

 

[kingkallis]

Graham Ford was a better candidate but dont know why BCCI or Ford gave up....

 

[Arjun]

Fletcher was a questionable choice at the start. He's now a dreadful choice and deserves to be offloaded quickly, like Chappell. Someone who thinks spin bowlers are irrelevant has no business coaching India. Make no mistake, this is not a terrible team, and it is not a team of terrible players. But when, within nine months, it's now reduced to something like that, you can't blame player after player. Losing too many games, losing ICC ranking points, then losing your best players one by one, that's reason enough to believe that the Fletcher stretcher is one of the darker phases in Indian cricket since the foreign coach fixation.

Kirsten was fine, but this is a high-pressure job. He wasn't really enjoying it, so India had to let him go. He was hardly someone who introduced anything remarkable in the Indian side, as past weaknesses still showed. He wasn't even taken seriously, because if he said some players are not fit to play for India because of poor fitness, there's no way Yuvraj Singh or Munaf Patel should have overstayed.

An unhealthy fixation, nonetheless. Especially when all the contenders seem to be Australians, English, New Zealanders and South Africans. Are there no competent blokes outside this target group? Are Indians such bad coaches? Can't they choose any of Kumble, Ganguly and Dravid as a national captain? Or across the strait, Chaminda Vaas? Really, the BCCI seems to look at the flag or passport first, then decides if someone's good enough to coach India.

This team is good enough, but needs to be managed better. One real change they could have is an all-rounder in the Test side for the long term, or at least a whole fleet of run-scoring bowlers.

 

[silentstriker]

Fletcher was a questionable choice at the start. He's now a dreadful choice and deserves to be offloaded quickly, like Chappell. Someone who thinks spin bowlers are irrelevant has no business coaching India. Make no mistake, this is not a terrible team, and it is not a team of terrible players. But when, within nine months, it's now reduced to something like that, you can't blame player after player. Losing too many games, losing ICC ranking points, then losing your best players one by one, that's reason enough to believe that the Fletcher stretcher is one of the darker phases in Indian cricket since the foreign coach fixation.

Kirsten was fine, but this is a high-pressure job. He wasn't really enjoying it, so India had to let him go. He was hardly someone who introduced anything remarkable in the Indian side, as past weaknesses still showed. He wasn't even taken seriously, because if he said some players are not fit to play for India because of poor fitness, there's no way Yuvraj Singh or Munaf Patel should have overstayed.

An unhealthy fixation, nonetheless. Especially when all the contenders seem to be Australians, English, New Zealanders and South Africans. Are there no competent blokes outside this target group? Are Indians such bad coaches? Can't they choose any of Kumble, Ganguly and Dravid as a national captain? Or across the strait, Chaminda Vaas? Really, the BCCI seems to look at the flag or passport first, then decides if someone's good enough to coach India.

This team is good enough, but needs to be managed better. One real change they could have is an all-rounder in the Test side for the long term, or at least a whole fleet of run-scoring bowlers.

You're right. Fletcher ruined in a couple months the run scoring ability of five Indian Test players with 600 Tests between them. He's an evil genius.

 

[Cevno]

Can't blame it all on Fletcher, but fair to say he hasn't added much at all either. Tactically, we have gotten weaker if anything.

 

[silentstriker]

Welcome to another 20 years of the same **** if the problems are addressed at the Test level.

 

[smash84]

Fletcher was a questionable choice at the start. He's now a dreadful choice and deserves to be offloaded quickly, like Chappell. Someone who thinks spin bowlers are irrelevant has no business coaching India. Make no mistake, this is not a terrible team, and it is not a team of terrible players. But when, within nine months, it's now reduced to something like that, you can't blame player after player. Losing too many games, losing ICC ranking points, then losing your best players one by one, that's reason enough to believe that the Fletcher stretcher is one of the darker phases in Indian cricket since the foreign coach fixation.

Kirsten was fine, but this is a high-pressure job. He wasn't really enjoying it, so India had to let him go. He was hardly someone who introduced anything remarkable in the Indian side, as past weaknesses still showed. He wasn't even taken seriously, because if he said some players are not fit to play for India because of poor fitness, there's no way Yuvraj Singh or Munaf Patel should have overstayed.

An unhealthy fixation, nonetheless. Especially when all the contenders seem to be Australians, English, New Zealanders and South Africans. Are there no competent blokes outside this target group? Are Indians such bad coaches? Can't they choose any of Kumble, Ganguly and Dravid as a national captain? Or across the strait, Chaminda Vaas? Really, the BCCI seems to look at the flag or passport first, then decides if someone's good enough to coach India.

This team is good enough, but needs to be managed better. One real change they could have is an all-rounder in the Test side for the long term, or at least a whole fleet of run-scoring bowlers.

Agree with a bit of what you have to say but I think you are being somewhat disingenuous about Kirsten.

Of course the coach in cricket has very limited saying but as far as the role of the coach itself goes Kirsten is right up there with the best.

 

[Xuhaib]

Indian greats are on a decline the new generation batsman have not stepped up India has never been a great bowling side with the batsman not putting up runs on the board an average bowling is being made to look mediocre. India will continue to struggle till they find their next batch of great batsman.

 

[Arachnodouche]

It''s going to be hilarious watching the BCCI strut around like they own the world while the team they put out scrapes and groves at the bottom of the barrel competing (unsuccessfully in all probability) for brownie points with NZ and Pakistan. There is no silver lining; unlike the Australia downswing when they at least had a fresh crop of promising youngsters to look forwards to, we have nothing.

 

[smash84]

It''s going to be hilarious watching the BCCI strut around like they own the world while the team they put out scrapes and groves at the bottom of the barrel competing (unsuccessfully in all probability) for brownie points with NZ and Pakistan. There is no silver lining; unlike the Australia downswing when they at least had a fresh crop of promising youngsters to look forwards to, we have nothing.

tbf even during Pakistan's downturns (and there have been many in the last 10 years) the bowling has rarely been as bad as the Indian bowling all through the last summer. It is the bowlers who make you really competitive IMO and Pakistan has done decently in that dept.

The problem is, as Xuhaib points out, that the Indian batting line-up failing successively makes the bowling look even worse. Unless India replace their aging batsmen with good players this trend will probably continue

 

[Cevno]

The bowling is still decent at home, and Arachnodouche is underestimating the importance BCCI and many Indians in general give to ODI's.