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    Send-offs and Sledging

    After Tea today in the Australia-Pakistan test, Aamer bowled a great spell in which he picked up a couple of wickets and bowled some pretty testing stuff at Watson, who didn't get out. During the spell he gave Watson the occasional golf clap, blew him kisses after bouncers, stopped in the middle of wicket to have a chat, that sort of thing.

    I'd like to preface this by saying I don't have any issue with what Aamer did and I don't think he should be fined or anything, but I have a feeling that if he'd got Watson out with one of those deliveries and then blown him a kiss or made a few comments or whatever, he'd have been fined for misconduct.

    Am I way off base here? Does anyone know if there's actually a specific set of rules governing what is acceptable conduct on the field in terms of what you can say to opposition players, and what constitutes a misconduct charge? More importantly, are the rules different depending on what exactly is happening in the game at that time? If you bowl a batsman and then sledge or mock him, is there any reason in the rules you should be fined for that, but not for doing it if you just hit him in the head?

    Obviously any sort of physical contact, racial abuse etc are way out of line, but I've seen bowlers who have just dismissed a batsman fined for pointing them back to the pavilion or screaming and jumping around like a little girl as Watson did in Perth, while I think a lot of similar behavior would go unpunished if it came when a batsman hadn't just been dismissed, or if it came from a batsman who had just hit a bowler for four instead.
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    I was looking for such a thread. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Watson is lucky to be playing this test match. I have not seen what Aamir did in this test match but if it is a kissing remark, then it shouldn't be punished. He is just adhering to "Make love not war" theme. If Aamir is fined for a harmless gesture actually one that of love, tomorrow players could be fined for applauding opposition. Words are strict no no but I think the occassional stare is okay.
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    Depends on the nationality.

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    Haven't seen the particular incident, but generally I think the umpires and match referees look more forgivingly on sledging than send-offs because the former can be seen as part of the "mental disintegration" process SRW was so fond of; questioning a batsman's testicular fortitude, the fidelity of his partner or his parentage are obviously crude, but a case can be made that they're a genuine tactic. Send-offs, however, are just taking the piss and/or rubbing it in because the job's been done.
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    That's a reasonable point actually, about the relevance of the contest when the wicket is still there to be taken.

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    Yeah, I know that amongst most players that I come across, send-offs are seen a lot worse, it's like pissing on someone's grave. At least piss on them when they're still alive, so that they can sock you one for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metallics2006 View Post
    Depends on the nationality.
    Spot on!
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    Good question (please let's not let this get into a troll baiting and biting thread!) but I think Brumby and Jack have it.

    Sending off a batsmen is perceived as mocking a player, and irrelevant to the contest.
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    My post was just a tongue in cheek comment ftr.

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    It's the difference between punching someone in round one of a boxing match and punching them when you've just knocked them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    It's the difference between punching someone in round one of a boxing match and punching them when you've just knocked them out.
    This isn't the perfect analogy though. In boxing, punching someone is the game. It's more like...well, insulting someone in round one, and insulting someone when they're knocked out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metallics2006 View Post
    My post was just a tongue in cheek comment ftr.
    Didn't you think that I have done the exact same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamee999 View Post
    This isn't the perfect analogy though. In boxing, punching someone is the game. It's more like...well, insulting someone in round one, and insulting someone when they're knocked out.
    Haha well personally I consider sledging part of the game. You insult someone while they're batting in order to get them out. Insulting them when you've already got them out is just gratuitous.

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    There is no room for insult as long as you can do what you are paid to do. Anything above that is plain unwanted, Mental disintegration is overrated. Nobody thinks Bell is now what he is because of mental disintegration.

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    I think it's the helplessness of the batsman in that circumstance. You sledge someone when they're still in, and its gamesmanship (provided no lines are crossed) and if they're good enough, they can retaliate legitimately with their batting - and guys like Lara, Viv and Steve Waugh showed that it was a tactic that could backfire badly. Once they're out, they have no recourse that doesn't land them in trouble.

    That said, I think sometimes we're a bit too harsh on the send off. If its not accompanied by an abusive tirade and the bowler doesn't run the length of the pitch to do it right in the guy's face, I don't mind the occasional point towards the pavillion, or a short comment. Warne vs Hudson, Sreesanth vs Symonds and Watson vs Gayle is obviously taking that WAY WAY too far, but if you've been chatting while they're in, and the bloke's been chatting back, and maybe said something about your bowling, a "now who's laughing?", or "you didn't read that at all did you?" is alright imo, so long as its not all the time...
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