Reverse Swing

[zaremba]

Ah, you must be referring to Tony Dodemaide then.

 

[Matt79]

why the example has to be about PAKISTAN??????????????????

Because you're all cheats, obviously.

Apart from the terrorists

 

[zaremba]

!!! you might want to discreetly edit that away, Matt.

 

[Craig]

i hate it when someone starts ******* agianst pakistan, if i'm not mistaken GOUGHY is from england, so before calling pakistani bowlers cheaters, he should call English team cheaters also, they won 2005 ashes cuz of cheating then
& what ICC should do is to ban everything Pakistan does for reverse swing & allow everything others do
still Pakistani bowlers reverse the ball more

why the example has to be about PAKISTAN??????????????????

 

[Matt79]

!!! you might want to discreetly edit that away, Matt.

Obviously said completely seriously.

 

[zaremba]

Obviously said completely seriously.

I think the joke may be lost on one particular poster...

 

[Furball]

why the example has to be about PAKISTAN??????????????????

Can someone ban this cretin please?

 

[nightprowler10]

Because you're all cheats, obviously.

Apart from the terrorists

Roast peported.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Alan Davidson: 'The only way you learn to bowl is to bowl' | Specials | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

Just looked for a reverse swing thread to chuck this tidbit into.

Interesting to see this snippet:

Funnily enough, my last ball in first-class cricket clean-bowled Garry Sobers, against South Australia. It was off an Irish - reverse-swing. It hit him on the knee, going on to hit middle and leg.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Scruff a Ball one side and Keep it shiny on the other side + you have to make sure when releasing the ball that the shiny side is facing the side you want the ball to swing to

I'm not sure that's 'reverse swing'...it would be if it actually went towards the shiny side. But it's unlikely without you doing something else to the ball first.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Load the side of the ball which is in better condition with moisture (this changes the weight distribution of the ball) and keep it smooth

Yeah, I was taught something similar years ago buy a guy that played at our club. Funnily enough, I never really used it, except at the nets.

 

[FBU]

The Aftermatter: The Physics of Cricket: What is 'Swing Bowling'?

'If you did begin to bowl at 100 mph or more, then you may begin to notice reverse swing with even a new ball'.

I am interested in what speeds you need reverse the ball. Cooley says 85mph but if the ball is really rough 80mph.

'Cooley wonders if reverse-swing is something which spinners can do; and, as an experiment, Simon Jones had cut his pace down to 50mph and still reverse-swung the ball, but only when it has been roughened up beyond the legal limits'.

 

[Cabinet96]

Reverse swing is a lot more natural than people think IMO. It just occurs when one side of the ball becomes heavier than the other; due to the rough side losing leather and the shiny side gaining moisture. Both these things occur naturally when shining the ball to generate conventional swing.

You don't need to be able to bowl 90mph to get the ball to reverse. I've done it a few times without any attempt to do so, bowling my 65mph mediums. In fact on one of two occasions I've changed a ball I'm using in the nets, usually from a newish one to an older one, only to find it to swing in the opposite direction without me changing anything when delivering the ball.

Obviously there a certain factors that help, such as pitch abrasiveness which causes the ball to scuff up quicker and to a more severe degree, but it's not voodoo work, and I'm really surprised more bowlers haven't mastered it.

 

[uvelocity]

convectional swing.

yeah theres nothing to it, but it's hard to get a ball in that condition in match conditions, depends on the ball brand obv.

 

[Son Of Coco]

You really just have to poach the ball for a good half an hour and then turn it out onto a warm plate.

 

[Debris]

The Aftermatter: The Physics of Cricket: What is 'Swing Bowling'?

'If you did begin to bowl at 100 mph or more, then you may begin to notice reverse swing with even a new ball'.

I am interested in what speeds you need reverse the ball. Cooley says 85mph but if the ball is really rough 80mph.

'Cooley wonders if reverse-swing is something which spinners can do; and, as an experiment, Simon Jones had cut his pace down to 50mph and still reverse-swung the ball, but only when it has been roughened up beyond the legal limits'.

You are not going to get swing with the new ball. For starters, both sides are in the same condition so how would you tell. You also need the two sides of the ball to be in different conditions to get reverse swing.

It probably is true that the faster you bowl, the newer the ball can be for reverse swing. Just not new.

 

[Jager]

I'm not sure that's 'reverse swing'...it would be if it actually went towards the shiny side. But it's unlikely without you doing something else to the ball first.

In Bob Woolmer's 'Art and Science of Cricket', I remember he said that the ball will reverse in different directions on either side of around 135km/h, I believe. Would that be plausible?

 

[smash84]

what do you mean either side of 135 km/h? at 90 km/h too?

 

[Jager]

what do you mean either side of 135 km/h? at 90 km/h too?

I meant that from what I can remember, he was saying that a ball that was swinging in at 110km/h could be bowled with exactly the same action at 135km/h and it would swing out. I will have to dig up that book and find out.

 

[Debris]

I meant that from what I can remember, he was saying that a ball that was swinging in at 110km/h could be bowled with exactly the same action at 135km/h and it would swing out. I will have to dig up that book and find out.

You would have to change the seam angle to get it to swing the other way. Angle of seam is the most important factor in which way it will swing (if it swings). Might be possible with the same bowling action.