Which CW chestnut gets your goat?

[BoyBrumby]

The one that most gets on my **** is the idea that only players with good/great FC figures are worthy of a go at test cricket when it's demonstrably not the case.

If the brute stats were all that mattered Trescothick & Vaughan would both have failed miserably and Hick and Ramps would've had successful test careers. Selectorial judgement must play a part or all Dusty would need is a quick look at cricinfo every now and then.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Most annoying to me is:

Ireland & Scotland should be forced to be part of the England team and the Irish and Scottish teams shouldn't exist.

Total bollocks.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Most annoying to me is:

Ireland & Scotland should be forced to be part of the England team and the Irish and Scottish teams shouldn't exist.

Total bollocks.

Probly falls into the "stuv wot only Dicko believes" category along with the first chance average and Mother Theresa being a betting opening bat than Matty Hayden.

 

[GIMH]

That theory itself may be a Richard-only one, but it is does tend to lead to a repetitive discussion about whether Northern ireland is part of Britain etc (it isn't FTR )

 

[duffer]

People who try and find fault with everything the BCCI does.

I understand some of the criticism is very fair and I'm not a fan of the organisation at all but it seems a lot of posters just blindly criticise without even trying to understand what the possible motivation behind their actions is even if they don't agree with it.

 

[Langeveldt]

Two for me

Stats aren't the most important thing when judging a player - Sorry, but what? If they are used in the correct context, then what else are you going to judge a player on? Deadset the most important thing in the game, and something that cannot be changed

Murali's action is legitimate - Another fact, Abdul Qadir is actually my mother

 

[Langeveldt]

Most annoying to me is:

Ireland & Scotland should be forced to be part of the England team and the Irish and Scottish teams shouldn't exist.

Total bollocks.

So why in athletics does Scotland compete under Great Britain? It's a dire enough place as it is without having to be in two countries at the same time

 

[duffer]

Murali's action is legitimate - Another fact, Abdul Qadir is actually my mother

Heh.

 

[silentstriker]

None of the issues is a huge big deal for me. I suppose the only real one that gets me is the 'it's not perfect so we can't use it' crowd.

As for what I think (not that anyone asked for it ):

• Spinners are used and should be used, because you don't have four quicks of that quality most times. No one is arguing against using a spinner in most circumstances, its all time sides when you do have quick replacement of sufficient quality available.
• As for selection, I don't see what else you can look at for Test criteria. U-19 tours are a joke.
• Murali - yawn.
• I think failure anywhere can potentially make a player inferior. Why single four countries out?
• Murali vs. Warne - yawn.

 

[GIMH]

Two for me

Stats aren't the most important thing when judging a player - Sorry, but what? If they are used in the correct context, then what else are you going to judge a player on? Deadset the most important thing in the game, and something that cannot be changed

Murali's action is legitimate - Another fact, Abdul Qadir is actually my mother

Jimmy Anderson msut have just bowled a sack of ****e in the Caribbean hey

 

[Uppercut]

Jimmy Anderson msut have just bowled a sack of ****e in the Caribbean hey

Haha but when you balance it with all the times he used to bowl pure ****e and get loads of wickets it's sorted.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

So why in athletics does Scotland compete under Great Britain? It's a dire enough place as it is without having to be in two countries at the same time

Don't ask me. Scotland aren't allowed to compete as a separate country under IOC rules as they aren't a separate "country" as such, but given the opportunity where they are allowed to compete separately (Commonwealth Games) they seize the opportunity with relish.

With cricket they are allowed to compete separately under their own terms and should be free to do so rather than forced, as Richard would have them, to NOT COMPETE under the "England" banner.

 

[Langeveldt]

Jimmy Anderson msut have just bowled a sack of ****e in the Caribbean hey

So? Come back when he's taken some wickets.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Hey Hingston, remember when you got smashed by by rookies on your home turf after being a ****y **** for a few months?

Yeaaaaahhhhh.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Stats aren't the most important thing when judging a player - Sorry, but what? If they are used in the correct context, then what else are you going to judge a player on? Deadset the most important thing in the game, and something that cannot be changed

"If they are used in the correct context" being the operative phrase.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Don't ask me. Scotland aren't allowed to compete as a separate country under IOC rules as they aren't a separate "country" as such, but given the opportunity where they are allowed to compete separately (Commonwealth Games) they seize the opportunity with relish.

With cricket they are allowed to compete separately under their own terms and should be free to do so rather than forced, as Richard would have them, to NOT COMPETE under the "England" banner.

Olympics are a pretty good rule of thumb, actually. Except for the Commonwealth Games.

Generally speaking if it's an Olympic sport we compete as Britain; if not it's as England/inferior Celtic nations.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Anyone who's Scottish automatically qualifies to play for "England" anyway. This is why Scotland will never improve significantly. Any individual who's good enough and wants to play Test Cricket will play for England.

 

[Scaly piscine]

None of the issues is a huge big deal for me. I suppose the only real one that gets me is the 'it's not perfect so we can't use it' crowd.

Yea that one is used regularly by technology hating idiots. Such a ridiculous argument.

 

[GIMH]

So? Come back when he's taken some wickets.

Haha, so I'll just look at cricinfo and decide that becauase he averaged 38 he bowled ****, what dross, and you know it as well

Stats are sueful but you can't use them in isolation to assess individual performances. As Upeprcut said, in Jimmy's case his career stats probably balance out overall at the minute as he had a lot of lucky wickets earlier in his career. But stats alone don't tell you a whole lot.

 

[King Pietersen]

I hate the people that claim Murali's a chucker, when it's been proven he isn't. Just shows complete ignorance. At least with the other options there's generally no right or wrong answer and it sparks debate, whereas the Murali's a chucker arguments result in the clever people justifying their arguments and the muppets just coming out with "I don't care if he's done the tests, he looks like he chucks. He's a chucker."