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Chappell vs. Border vs. Waugh
- Thread starter Days of Grace
- Start date
Precambrian
Banned
On hindsight, without pretending otherwise, yes I am embarassed at the timing of that interjection.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Dude, Shakib's calling you.
Precambrian
Banned
Do you turn the ball? CA needs you.
bagapath
International Captain
sorry to go off topic. but just want to complete the statement i am making by talking about the other big team of the same era. it must be west indies. and this is my take on the best xi of that country in post packer years to be pitted against the aussie team given above
greenidge
haynes
richards
lara
lloyd (c)
chanderpal
dujon (wk)
marshall
holding
ambrose
garner
reserves: walsh, richardson and gayle
for me, the aussie team's middle order's relative superiority (including gilchrist) will determine the outcome of a dream match between them. the bowling and the opening slots look pretty much even.
infact, ponting, g.chappell, border and s.waugh can be equal to any dream xi's middle order. four bloody minded aggressive bats. two of them being street fighters specializing in back to the wall situations and in working with the lower order and the two above them all round stroke makers capable of dominating any attack. i just wish ponting were included in this poll. would have given a chance to discuss punter vs chappell.
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Slifer
International Captain
Man for Man let's see:
Greenidge >or= Hayden
Haynes= Langer
Richards> or = Ponting
Lara < or = Chappell
Lloyd < or = Border
Chanderpaul < S Waugh
Dujon << Gilchrist
MArshall= S Warne
Holding < or = Lillee
Ambrose = Mcgrath
Garner >> Reid
Pretty much even stevens if u ask me .
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
IMO
Hayden > Greenidge
Langer = Haynes
Ponting = Richards
Chappell = or > Lara
Border > Lloyd
Waugh > Chanderpaul
Gilchrist >> Dujon
Warne = Marshall
Lillee > Holding
McGrath = Ambrose
Reid < Garner
The bowling is very equal, although Australia's is more diverse. Batting it's distinctly better for Australia for mine.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Hmm:
Greenidge > Hayden
Haynes = Langer
Richards > Ponting
Lara < Chappell
Lloyd < Border
Chanderpaul < S Waugh
Dujon < Gilchrist
Marshall > S Warne
Holding < Lillee
Ambrose < Mcgrath
Garner > Reid
Aussie win 6, WI win 4, one tie.
WI with the better top three, Australia with the better 4-7. Bowling is 2-2, but Reid is weaker than anyone that WI have, while WI's bowling lineup is absolutely brutal. Give them conditions like the Perth of Old, and I don't see them losing, even with McGrath and Lillee on the Australian side.
However, overall, Australian side is better, and I'd pick them in most games.
Aussies are better overall IMO.
When you select the composite side, mine would be:
That would annihilate many all time XI's.
Greenidge > Hayden
Haynes = Langer
Richards > Ponting
Lara < Chappell
Lloyd < Border
Chanderpaul < S Waugh
Dujon < Gilchrist
Marshall > S Warne
Holding < Lillee
Ambrose < Mcgrath
Garner > Reid
Aussie win 6, WI win 4, one tie.
WI with the better top three, Australia with the better 4-7. Bowling is 2-2, but Reid is weaker than anyone that WI have, while WI's bowling lineup is absolutely brutal. Give them conditions like the Perth of Old, and I don't see them losing, even with McGrath and Lillee on the Australian side.
However, overall, Australian side is better, and I'd pick them in most games.
Aussies are better overall IMO.
When you select the composite side, mine would be:
- Greenidge
- Hayden
- Richards
- Ponting
- Chappell
- Lara
- Gilchrist
- Holding
- Marshall
- Lillee
- McGrath
That would annihilate many all time XI's.
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Days of Grace
International Captain
Interesting that many of you put Chappell ahead of Lara.
If Lara is on song he would be the best batsmen in either team and would win the match on his own.
If Lara is on song he would be the best batsmen in either team and would win the match on his own.
Burgey
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TBF most of the players in the "best of" teams would do that on their day - Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist, Chappell; Richards, Greenidge, Lloyd, Lara - all pretty special..
Days of Grace
International Captain
That's true but I believe Lara was a cut above all of them at his absolute best. Only Richards and Gilchrist would challenge his ability to take the game away from the opposition.
Top_Cat
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Lara's troughs were pretty bad though. In terms of consistenty winning games, someone like Chappell is a surer bet.
I say this as an unabashed Lara fan too and if your team needs a game-breaker, Lara is the man. But this team is quality from top to bottom so all things being equal, you'd go for the more consistent bloke I reckon.
Precambrian
Banned
His inconsistency evens it out.
bagapath
International Captain
ah... SS! that team is a killer, i agree. in fact, this kind of puts all of us in agreement that g.chappell and punter > border and s. waugh. my combined xi would be slightly different because i cannot go into a test match without any spinner to make use of the old ball and to dominate the opposition on last 2 days' crumbling wicket.
so here is my combined WI - Aus Post Packer XI
greenidge
hayden
richards
g.chappell
ponting
lara
gilchrist (wk)
marshall
warne
lillee
mcgrath
reserves: ambrose, border and s.waugh
Matt79
Global Moderator
Drop one of the quicks for Warne and I'd agree. Probably out of Holding or Lillee.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Nah, step and fetch it blokes can go to hell.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Lara was better than Ponting, but not Chappell IMO. I like Lara, but if I need some runs, I'd back Chappell over Lara.
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
Agree with this. Holding was a fine bowler but a jot below Ambrose.
I also agree with Days of Grace that Lara is potentially the best batsman on either side.
Of those two teams, I'd say that the WI had the edge, although it is incredibly close. There is no weak link in either team and both are magnificent all-round sides.
But frankly if you've got a bowling attack of Garner, Marshall and Ambrose it's better than anything Australia could field. IMO there's a respectable case for saying that those are the 3 best bowlers in history.