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    have to say, the open top bus parade for the team after the ireland series was a little ott.

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    "Big Team" is a subjective term.

    They have failed to beat the below teams in ODIs
    Australia
    India
    South Africa

    They have beaten the below teams in ODIs
    Pakistan
    West Indies
    Sri Lanka
    Bangladesh
    New Zealand

    Big or small you decide

    As far as CT is concerned, all this is only relevant only up to the Knock Out stages. Once the KO starts, it's anybody's game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Warrior View Post
    Once the KO starts, it's anybody's game
    Except South Africa's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Warrior View Post
    "Big Team" is a subjective term.

    They have failed to beat the below teams in ODIs
    Australia
    India
    South Africa

    They have beaten the below teams in ODIs
    Pakistan
    West Indies
    Sri Lanka
    Bangladesh
    New Zealand

    Big or small you decide

    As far as CT is concerned, all this is only relevant only up to the Knock Out stages. Once the KO starts, it's anybody's game
    And that win over NZ has to be taken with a grain of salt. England won the series 3-2 but had Mitchell Santner (who is a world-class fieldsman) not dropped a sitter off Bairstow in the 5ht and deciding match, NZ would have won that series.


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    Top 5 teams in CT

    South Africa - great batting; great bowling (pace attack not as good as Aus and NZ, but pretty good and Tahir is the best spinner in the world)- struggle to win big ODI tournaments
    Australia - great batting; great pace bowling (mediocre spinners) - excellent record in big ODI tournaments
    India - great batting; adequate bowling - excellent record in big ODI tournaments
    NZ - good batting; great bowling (probably the best balanced bowling attack in the tournament)- struggle to win big ODI tournaments
    England - great batting; mediocre bowling - unknown in big ODI tournaments (young team)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Pilch View Post
    And that win over NZ has to be taken with a grain of salt. England won the series 3-2 but had Mitchell Santner (who is a world-class fieldsman) not dropped a sitter off Bairstow in the 5ht and deciding match, NZ would have won that series.
    So if someone wins the final because of a dropped catch, does mean that we ignore the final as well?
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    So taking with a grain of salt = ignoring now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Pilch View Post
    And that win over NZ has to be taken with a grain of salt. England won the series 3-2 but had Mitchell Santner (who is a world-class fieldsman) not dropped a sitter off Bairstow in the 5ht and deciding match, NZ would have won that series.
    Taking simple catches is a fairly important part of cricket
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    mitchell santner, apparent world class fieldsman and common dropper of high catches in international and domestic cricket
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    It is a big tournament for Eoin Morgan. Always does poorly at the World Cup, not sure of his record in the CT - but big game player.. I think not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    mitchell santner, apparent world class fieldsman and common dropper of high catches in international and domestic cricket
    I've seen people describe Santner as both an amazing and terrible fielder, and I think both are partly true. He is genuinely exceptional at making ground across the outfield like a startled jackrabbit to reach the ball, while his hands to catch or gather cleanly are slightly below average imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    I've seen people describe Santner as both an amazing and terrible fielder, and I think both are partly true. He is genuinely exceptional at making ground across the outfield like a startled jackrabbit to reach the ball, while his hands to catch or gather cleanly are slightly below average imo.
    My experience of him is he makes hard stops look easy, but can't catch sitters for toffee.

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    While I wouldn't be surprised if England win this, I am not sure if I agree they should be the favs. My concern for them is the group, yep you'd expect them to win one match v NZ or Australia, but neither of those are exactly minnows and both have done well in England previously. Its possible like the England rugby team in 2015 who everyone had second favourites they may not get out of what is a nasty group.

    I have Saffers as favourites at the moment, Lanka are average and Pakistan without Sharjeel are pretty mediocre. I think they should be slight favourites v India as well. The draw has been kind for them.

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    Heck Bangladesh are probably stronger than Pakistan and Lanka at the moment, its not a nice group whatsoever for England, India and South Africa fans should be quietly confident.

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    Are people doing that thing where they massively over-rate South Africa or have they got good in the last couple of years?
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