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    Should Paine be the keeper?

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    This ODI series against England is seven games so i would give Haddin a few to see if he can regain form. He is experienced and that is key at world cups. Paine is a good player as well though. People were considering Wade for the position as well. Can't say i have seen much of him tbh.

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    Australia's preliminary squad is a bit of joke as it is filled with players that have done nothing of note to be considered among the best 30 OD players in Australia.
    You gotta wonder why are blokes like Cosgrove, Wade, Finch,Krezja, Birt, Bailey not there on that list ahead of some other names, because these are the blokes who have been consistent performers in the domestic arena for a while now.
    #Watson
    #Warner
    #Ponting
    #Clarke
    #White
    #Mussey
    #Haddin
    #Christian
    #Hauritz
    #O'Keffe
    #Lee
    #Tait
    #Bollinger
    #Johnson
    #David Hussey/Ferguson
    Ideally won't pick either Clarke or Johnson on their current OD form, but dropping two senior players so close to the worldcup isn't ideal so they stay. Would have Warner and Watto opening as in the sub-continental conditions its vital to get off to a flier against the new ball and Warner could prove handy in that regard at the top of the order, its nothing against Haddin but think he would be much more useful as a flotter in the middle order against spin.
    Would have Christian ahead of Smith as well, since Christian is in terrific form and he is also much better equipped to bat lower down the order, his bowling too is going to be handy on sub-continental tracks.
    Dussey or Ferguson is the only tough decision, would go with Dussey as he is an experienced match-winner with the bat and his offies are handy too, as for Ferguson lack of experience is probably the only thing that's going against him atm, rest of the team pretty much picks itself up.
    EDIT: Also hasn't Paine played enough ODI'S to prove that he isn't good enough, the guy has a SR of 70 opening the batting, I guess that says enough.

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    Lol'n at you big-noting domestic performance and then picking Warner.
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    i like how you complain about "consistent performers" not being in the 30 man squad, and than pick Warner.

    Dussey did nothing today to play him out of the squad; Tait being sore after 8 overs and Lee being the best bowler should mean Lee goes and Tait doesn't, Dougeh wasn't good today but he does have a decent record in India so far - if that counts for anything and likewise Doherty wasn't great so if they decide to go with only one spinner Hauritz probably has it. Really nothing changed. I presume Tait had to do something special to grab that spot and he hasn't.

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    My 15

    Haddin
    Watson
    Ponting
    Clarke
    White
    Mussey
    Smith
    Johnson
    Lee
    Hauritz
    Siddle

    12 Hopes
    13 Bollinger
    14 Dussey
    15 Paine

    With Harris, McKay, Starc all out, the only other quicks outside the first XI are Pattinson, Bollinger, Tait and all-rounder Hopes.

    - I can’t pick Tait – he’s a ***** and a sook

    - Bollinger has been **** this summer, but a lack of alternatives and his good record in India get him over the line

    - I think Hopes with his change of pace, cricket smarts, and all-round ability gets in ahead of Pattinson

    - Paine as back up for Haddin and batsman in his own right

    - Dussey probably as useful as Doherty with the ball, and a good batsman – probably competing with Smith for the # 7 spot

    - Didn’t consider Hodge, as he won’t be picked

    Not a very strong squad compared to past campaigns, and massive form clouds hanging over some of the key players namely Ponting, Bollinger and Johnson.

    All in all, we’ll make the Super Six stage but may not advance beyond that point.

    Sri Lanka, South Africa and India are a certainty for the Semi Finals, and we may just squeak in to make up the final four.

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    Siddle in one day cricket is such a dire call. I'd sooner recall Damien Fleming.

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    In fact, nobody will play Super Sixes in this World Cup. oops

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    My WC 15....

    Watson
    Haddin +
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    Clarke
    Mussey
    White
    Smith
    Johnson (yeah he's dire, but the only other option is Binga)
    Hauritz
    Lee
    Tait (yeah he's a sook, but he's the best we've got)

    Hodge (won't happen but it should)
    Dussey
    Paine
    Bollinger (out of nick, but he's still gun)
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    1 Watson
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    3 Paine
    4 Ponting
    5 White
    6 MHussey
    7 Smith
    8 Johnson
    9 Hauritz
    10 Lee
    11 Tait

    Pattinson, O'Keefe, Starc, Hodge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Lol'n at you big-noting domestic performance and then picking Warner.
    Warner is a pick that should be purely made on the basis of what he brings to the table, the games are gonna be played on flat abrasive pitches and as a team you would have to set the wheels in motion while the ball in new and hard, and that's where Warner can really be handy and also not to forget his fielding too adds a lot to the team.
    Haddin is a superb batsman within his own right but he bats a bit like a millionaire in the first 15 overs, he hits a lot of good shots straight to the fielders and doesn't have that ability to hit over the in-field either.
    Also don't think too much should be read into Warner's lack of runs for the Blues in the last season or so, he was moved around in the batting order and general lack of patience was shown with by the Blues, but he is a match-winner and the sub-continental conditions would be just ideal for him.
    As for David Hussey, he is arguably one of the best LO batsmen is Australia for a while now, he is destroyer of spin bowling and he brings all his experience into the squad as well which is important for a tournament like the worldcup, would take Hodge over him any day but since that's not gonna happen Dussey then is the next best choice.
    My point though was, what exactly have the likes of Siddle, Starc, Pattinson ever done to be regarded among the 30 best OD players in Oz at present!!!
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    Shane Watson
    Michael Clarke - you know they're going to pick him so surround him with strokemakers and keep out of middle order
    Ricky Ponting
    Cameron White - needs time to settle and has scored hundreds here
    Michael Hussey
    David Hussey - Hodge is better but will never get picked
    Tim Paine - I want a keeper that can catch but not at the expense of batting him high
    Dan Christian - either he or Hopes can bowl some overs and hit well
    Nathan Hauritz
    Brett Lee
    Shaun Tait - bowl a few overs then off for a rest (everyone else does it so why not us?)

    Shaun Marsh - best of the young bats
    Steve Smith
    Mitchell Johnson - really, really didnt want to pick him
    Peter Siddle - at least you can set a field for him and his batting is improving
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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    Shane Watson
    Michael Clarke - you know they're going to pick him so surround him with strokemakers and keep out of middle order
    Ricky Ponting
    Cameron White - needs time to settle and has scored hundreds here
    Michael Hussey
    David Hussey - Hodge is better but will never get picked
    Tim Paine - I want a keeper that can catch but not at the expense of batting him high
    Dan Christian - either he or Hopes can bowl some overs and hit well
    Nathan Hauritz
    Brett Lee
    Shaun Tait - bowl a few overs then off for a rest (everyone else does it so why not us?)

    Shaun Marsh - best of the young bats
    Steve Smith
    Mitchell Johnson - really, really didnt want to pick him
    Peter Siddle - at least you can set a field for him and his batting is improving
    I would pick even a half fit Bollinger over Siddle in LO games, now we have seen that Dougie not at full tilt ain't that good but still he remains a much, much better option than Siddle.
    Paine as I said has had his chances, his SR is hovering around the 70's and having Clarke in the XI is bad enough but having both Paine and Clarke in the top 7 could spell disaster, as for Haddin's keeping its pretty good for most of the time, but he himself admitted he loses concentration sometimes behind the sticks and recently the kind of mind games Hilditch has been playing with him couldn't have helped in yesterday' game.

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    wouldn't want Christian bowling more than 5 overs tbh. and you have tait not bowling his full 10 either so i have no idea how you expect 50 overs to be bowled. white's making a comeback with the ball? hussey and watson are putting in 7-8 overs each?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pup11 View Post
    I would pick even a half fit Bollinger over Siddle in LO games, now we have seen that Dougie not at full tilt ain't that good but still he remains a much, much better option than Siddle.
    Paine as I said has had his chances, his SR is hovering around the 70's and having Clarke in the XI is bad enough but having both Paine and Clarke in the top 7 could spell disaster, as for Haddin's keeping its pretty good for most of the time, but he himself admitted he loses concentration sometimes behind the sticks and recently the kind of mind games Hilditch has been playing with him couldn't have helped in yesterday' game.
    IMO, Dougeh is seen as being expendable by the selectors whilst Siddle isnt so the writing is on the wall for the former IMO

    TBH, I dont care whether Paine or Haddin bats in the top 7 - given the number of batting options available, it's almost irrelevant and either of them could be left down the order to have a slog at the end

    But what I do see as a necessity is a keeper that can catch and Haddin has not been that guy all season (it would be interesting to know whether he has accepted 50% of the chances that have come his way this year - somehow I doubt it)

    Anyway, you know the selectors are going to pick Clarke but absolutely the last thing you want to see is him in the middle order IN HIS CURRENT FORM as it's odds on that he'd destroy any momentum built up by the top order players

    That being the case, chuck him in as opener and surround him with stroke players

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