Who is the better bowler ?

[OverratedSanity]

sunilz has been gagging for this post - it's probably the only reason he made the thread - so here we go

KOOKAFACTS

boult duke - 34 @ 26 (21 @ 23 in england)
boult kookaburra - 227 @ 27

anderson duke - 420 (blaze it) @ 23
anderson kookaburra - 160 @ 32

boult home - 164 @ 25
boult away - 102 @ 31

anderson home - 384 @ 23
anderson away - 208 @ 31

the main thing anderson has in his favour is pure quantity (which only 2 other nations can realistically hope to emulate because they're the only teams who invite each other and the west indies over for 4-5 game series) otherwise they're virtually identical bowlers. anderson also only plays one format since 2015 whereas boult plays almost every game he's fit for, and now anderson even gets dropped...sorry rested.

If you want to disregard "quantity" i.e. being great for a long time, then you can quite easily take a slice of Anderson's career of a comparable length since Boult's debut. But you wont do that since you know Anderon's averages would absolutely destroy Boult's if you did (Since Boult's debut, Anderson averages 23 overall and 28 with the kookaburra). Both disregarding longevity and sneakily ignoring the fact that Anderson's averages are better if you do disregard longevity is ridiculously stupid.

Not surprised that the only ones who think your post is good are posters whose opinions on cricket are almost always worthless.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Interestingly in matches between NZ and England since Boult's debut (which is ones where Flem would've watched Anderson and compared him with Boult) there have been 11 test matches between the teams with both sides having won 3 tests each and 5 draws. This coincides with Anderson's best era of bowling after a mediocre start to his career.

Boult played in 10 of those tests.
In 4 tests in England, he took 21 wickets at 23.14, while in 6 tests in NZ he took 27 wickets at 25.88. Overall, versus England he has taken 48 wickets in 10 tests at 24.68.

Anderson played in 9 of those tests. In 4 tests in England, he took 15 wickets at 26.00, while in 5 tests in NZ he took 18 wickets at 31.66. Overall, in matches vs NZ since 2013 he has taken 33 wickets in 9 tests at 29.09.

Anderson beat up a very weak NZ side in 2008, but since Boult debuted I'd say Broad has bowled much better against us than Jimmy has.

 

[TheJediBrah]

If you want to disregard "quantity" i.e. being great for a long time, then you can quite easily take a slice of Anderson's career of a comparable length since Boult's debut. But you wont do that since you know Anderon's averages would absolutely destroy Boult's if you did (Since Boult's debut, Anderson averages 23 overall and 28 with the kookaburra). Both disregarding longevity and sneakily ignoring the fact that Anderson's averages are better if you do disregard longevity is ridiculously stupid.

You seem to completely miss the logical fallacy here. Picking a "slice of comparable length" to the other players whole career isn't fair on the other player, because you're comparing the best period of the former player to the whole career of the latter. And since we're handing out unwarranted insults I'll say you are hardly in the position to be judging others' opinions on cricket or labeling anyone else's "ridiculously stupid". I've seen you post on a subject when India are involved.

 

[ataraxia]

Assume both had played equal number of Test matches.

the OP, in case people weren't reading it.

 

[honestbharani]

the OP, in case people weren't reading it.

Only proves OS' point even more.

 

[ataraxia]

Only proves OS' point even more.

I initially read the OP as 'Boult plays 160 tests', in which case OS' point would've been less valid. But it's ambiguous anyway.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

sunilz has been gagging for this post - it's probably the only reason he made the thread - so here we go

KOOKAFACTS

boult duke - 34 @ 26 (21 @ 23 in england)
boult kookaburra - 227 @ 27

anderson duke - 420 (blaze it) @ 23
anderson kookaburra - 160 @ 32

boult home - 164 @ 25
boult away - 102 @ 31

anderson home - 384 @ 23
anderson away - 208 @ 31

the main thing anderson has in his favour is pure quantity (which only 2 other nations can realistically hope to emulate because they're the only teams who invite each other and the west indies over for 4-5 game series

Australia haven't played the West Indies bilaterally in any format since 2015/16

Shame really as their test team is genuinely better these days than the dumpster fire they were in that tour

 

[Flem274*]

If you want to disregard "quantity" i.e. being great for a long time, then you can quite easily take a slice of Anderson's career of a comparable length since Boult's debut. But you wont do that since you know Anderon's averages would absolutely destroy Boult's if you did (Since Boult's debut, Anderson averages 23 overall and 28 with the kookaburra). Both disregarding longevity and sneakily ignoring the fact that Anderson's averages are better if you do disregard longevity is ridiculously stupid.

Not surprised that the only ones who think your post is good are posters whose opinions on cricket are almost always worthless.

mate send your lot over for 4 tests every year and im sure boult will catch up on his spamming in no time

 

[TheJediBrah]

Only proves OS' point even more.

no, it completely invalidates it

Unless his argument was supposed to be aimed against the OP for asking the question in the first place. But it looked like a response to Flem.

 

[sunilz]

Can someone put average of Anderson and Boult vs Other countries in tabular (comparison ) form ?

 

[honestbharani]

Australia haven't played the West Indies bilaterally in any format since 2015/16

Shame really as their test team is genuinely better these days than the dumpster fire they were in that tour

Yeah tests in Windies with the Dukes would be very interesting right about now. Hopefully they can play at least a 3 test series soon.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Yeah tests in Windies with the Dukes would be very interesting right about now. Hopefully they can play at least a 3 test series soon.

Absolutely, not holding my breath though. Not enough coin in it for those at Jolimont St to be high on the agenda

 

[sunilz]

Both IND and AUS haven't lost a test to WI in last 17 years. I highly doubt WI would be competitive against AUS if the series happens.

 

[honestbharani]

Both IND and AUS haven't lost a test to WI in last 17 years. I highly doubt WI would be competitive against AUS if the series happens.

A team can win 3-0 and a series still be competitive. I feel current Aussie batting has enough holes for the Windies bowling to land a few blows. Of course, Australia may bowl them out for lesser and win but I definitely feel it would be more competitive than it was before. Even when India toured there in 2019 after the WC, their bowling challenged our batting a lot. Just that their batsmen were so much worse than ours. But that maybe improving with the new additions IMO.

 

[Line and Length]

Can someone put average of Anderson and Boult vs Other countries in tabular (comparison ) form ?

	Anderson	Boult
Australia	104 @ 34.57	23 @ 41.70
Bangladesh	9 @ 24.78	28 @ 27.64
England	n/a	48 @ 24.69
India	118 @ 25.30	36 @ 29.53
New Zealand	60 @ 26.83	n/a
Pakistan	74 @ 19.31	29 @ 20.86
South Africa	93 @ 31.53	16 @ 39.88
Sri Lanka	58 @ 22.19	45 @ 22.33
West Indies	87 @ 22.61	48 @ 25.00
Zimbabwe	11 @ 20.27	8 @ 23.13

 

[sunilz]

	Anderson	Boult
Australia	104 @ 34.57	23 @ 41.70
Bangladesh	9 @ 24.78	28 @ 27.64
England	n/a	48 @ 24.69
India	118 @ 25.30	36 @ 29.53
New Zealand	60 @ 26.83	n/a
Pakistan	74 @ 19.31	29 @ 20.86
South Africa	93 @ 31.53	16 @ 39.88
Sri Lanka	58 @ 22.19	45 @ 22.33
West Indies	87 @ 22.61	48 @ 25.00
Zimbabwe	11 @ 20.27	8 @ 23.13

Against every country Anderson has the better average. So Anderson is the clear winner.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Against every country Anderson has the better average. So Anderson is the clear winner.

Not disagreeing, but I don't think stats against each opposition was ever the contentious point.

 

[Line and Length]

Not disagreeing, but I don't think stats against each opposition was ever the contentious point.

True, but what is contentious is selecting sections of a career, focusing too much on ball type and conditions. Purely on statistics against each country, Anderson is (as sunilz said) the clear winner.

 

[Flem274*]

True, but what is contentious is selecting sections of a career, focusing too much on ball type and conditions. Purely on statistics against each country, Anderson is (as sunilz said) the clear winner.

why should we not take into account such important parts of the game? if balls and conditions weren't important then there wouldn't be ball care or the bloody toss mate.

 

[cnerd123]

why should we not take into account such important parts of the game? if balls and conditions weren't important then there wouldn't be ball care or the bloody toss mate.

There would obviously still be need for a toss because chasing is drastically different to setting a target and teams will have preferences

Is this an exhibit on how many times Flem can be wrong In a thread?