wackyadz06
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Broad is very good agree , asif is good so monty
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Who is the best upcoming player?
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Neil Pickup
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Oh, the joy of "merge threads".AussieDominance said:
shortpitched713
International Captain
Panesar is the best up and coming player of the current crop. He's the first genuine spin talent England have had for a long time. Much better than that Giles bloke. I don't understand why they don't play him in one-dayers...
tooextracool
International Coach
probably because he cant bat or field?shortpitched713 said:Panesar is the best up and coming player of the current crop. He's the first genuine spin talent England have had for a long time. Much better than that Giles bloke. I don't understand why they don't play him in one-dayers...
When it comes to ODIs his bowling isnt significantly better than Giles, Yardy, Dalrymple and the rest all of whom are much better fielders and batsmen.
tooextracool
International Coach
Its interesting that you state that Pietersen is a certain starter, hence cant be amongst the 'up and coming' and then include mohammad Asif, whos probably the first bowler on the pakistan team sheet in both forms of the game, on your listMr Mxyzptlk said:
Most promising "younger" players that I've seen recently
Asif
Mahmood (tall, quick and only needs experience to be a real handful)
Mitchell Johnson (as for Mahmood but left handed and swings it)
Bravo (more experienced than the others but that's because he's played in a horrible team and was selected before he was ready)
Panesar is promising but at the end of the day is "only" a left hand orthodox spinner - that's not enough to have top quality players shaking in their boots
Asif
Mahmood (tall, quick and only needs experience to be a real handful)
Mitchell Johnson (as for Mahmood but left handed and swings it)
Bravo (more experienced than the others but that's because he's played in a horrible team and was selected before he was ready)
Panesar is promising but at the end of the day is "only" a left hand orthodox spinner - that's not enough to have top quality players shaking in their boots
tooextracool
International Coach
actually a lot of people- bob willis and david lloyd in particular were comparing him to viv richards even before he set foot in the test arena. the number of people that yelled "Viv" after his front foot hook for 6 off gillespie in the ODIs last summer were probably a fair few. Not that he deserves to be compared to Sir Viv of course, considering that he hasnt accomplished anything in his career yet.Langeveldt said:
tooextracool
International Coach
Just to throw in 2 other names:
Owais Shah- was quite impressed from the little that i saw of him on the tour of India, and he just offers something different to the England. He might not literally be an 'up and coming' player as who knows how long he might have to wait for his next crack in the test arena but he certainly has potential.
Mohammad Hafeez- Ive liked the look of Hafeez, the moment he scored that 69 in the natwest challenge 3 years ago. He has one of the better techniques for a pakistan opener and a very sound temperament. I certainly think he has some serious talent if only he goes on to fulfill it.
Owais Shah- was quite impressed from the little that i saw of him on the tour of India, and he just offers something different to the England. He might not literally be an 'up and coming' player as who knows how long he might have to wait for his next crack in the test arena but he certainly has potential.
Mohammad Hafeez- Ive liked the look of Hafeez, the moment he scored that 69 in the natwest challenge 3 years ago. He has one of the better techniques for a pakistan opener and a very sound temperament. I certainly think he has some serious talent if only he goes on to fulfill it.
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shortpitched713
International Captain
I'll give you Giles being more useful in ODIs than Monty, but as for the other two I'm not fully convinced that they deserve a spot as sole spinner on the team. They both bat well, but from what I've seen Dalrymple looks distinctly ordinary with the ball. Yardy looks to have potential with the ball, but I don't think we've seen enough of him at this level to make a judgement. Anyways, as Giles' fitness is up in the air, I don't think I would be too comfortable going with only one decentish spinner, especially on pitches that might turn more.tooextracool said:
In any case, you can't say that Monty deserves a spot less than the waste of space Mahmood.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Asif is daylight ahead of Bell, Cook and all the other up-and-coming players who apparently only reside in England or Pakistan.
Pietersen and Hussey are well-established in my book. I would say Bravo too, but it wasn't that long ago he was left out of a test against Australia, so I guess Bravo is still up and coming, and if that's the case he's there alongside Asif.
Pietersen and Hussey are well-established in my book. I would say Bravo too, but it wasn't that long ago he was left out of a test against Australia, so I guess Bravo is still up and coming, and if that's the case he's there alongside Asif.
Dale Steyn is another young bowler with heaps of potential.
Cook obviously has a good temperament - will be interesting to see whether technical deficiencies bite him in the near future.
Only saw India vs Eng B and they were generally horrible so no youngster caught the eye.
Cook obviously has a good temperament - will be interesting to see whether technical deficiencies bite him in the near future.
Only saw India vs Eng B and they were generally horrible so no youngster caught the eye.
FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
Who would have thought England had half the up and coming players in the world?
Anyway, Johnson certainly warrants mention for Australia. Everyone's raving about him at the moment, and if he had a good enough run in the ODIs ahead he could even play test cricket in the Ashes. Asif is obviously the most likely to be a big star of all the new guys in international cricket.
Anyway, Johnson certainly warrants mention for Australia. Everyone's raving about him at the moment, and if he had a good enough run in the ODIs ahead he could even play test cricket in the Ashes. Asif is obviously the most likely to be a big star of all the new guys in international cricket.
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Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
Jimmy McMillan is sadly too injury-prone to be an international prospect. A real shame, because if he did make it, I could claim I've hit an international bowler back over his head (admittedly it was 7 years ago).
Nathan McCullum's a tidy limited-overs bowler, but Patel is always going to have the inside running on him, although Mattress is a bit better with the bat.
Nathan McCullum's a tidy limited-overs bowler, but Patel is always going to have the inside running on him, although Mattress is a bit better with the bat.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
I think it's simply the fact that they've had to play so many youngsters. Obviously they'll be talented, but everyone else's young players would also show talent if they had the chance. It's just that through injury, these players HAVE been given the chance to show their wares to the world.
Burgey
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For Australia, Doug Bollinger - Left Arm, Tall and Rapid but very raw. was picked in the extended squad for the Champions Trophy so they must have their eye on him.
Some earlier posts compared Pietersen's and Richards' records at the same stage of their careers and said they were almost identical. These things can be deceptive - I remember Jimmy Adams averaging 70 after 18 tests. Pietersen's a good player but hasn't had the time to be worked out yet. Of course, he may not be that easy to work out in the long run.......
Of the others Asif looks great - beyond his years in maturity.
Some earlier posts compared Pietersen's and Richards' records at the same stage of their careers and said they were almost identical. These things can be deceptive - I remember Jimmy Adams averaging 70 after 18 tests. Pietersen's a good player but hasn't had the time to be worked out yet. Of course, he may not be that easy to work out in the long run.......
Of the others Asif looks great - beyond his years in maturity.