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WANTED: One English wicket-keeper

McKanga

School Boy/Girl Captain
....i think jones is the PNG
Meh! If there is a cricket structure in PNG apart from expat whites it is the first I've heard of it.
From Wikipaedia : "....Geraint Owen Jones MBE (born 14 July 1976, Kundiawa, Papua New Guinea) is a member of the England cricket team. Until August 2006 he was the first-choice wicketkeeper for England in both Test and One-day cricket, but is now behind Chris Read. He plays county cricket for Kent.
Jones moved to Australia with his parents, who were originally from Wales, soon after he was born. He grew up in Toowoomba, Queensland and lived in Australia until he was 22.
......".
Another Aussie discard.
 
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Craig

World Traveller
Strauss was born there, but moved to Australia at age 6 and then left for England 18 months later. IIRC his parents, or one of, is English.
 

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Do tell? Pietersen obviously, quite a significant South African background. The Papua New Guinean? The other South African? I clearly have some research to do.
Strauss was born in SA iirc, or has significant SA links (please someone correct me if i'm wrong) and Geriant Jones was born in Papua New Guinea, before moving to Australia, then when he was around 15/16 i think that when he moved to england (again please someone correct me if i'm wrong)

EDIT: Just saw ur post re: Jones
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Strauss was born in SA iirc, or has significant SA links (please someone correct me if i'm wrong) and Geriant Jones was born in Papua New Guinea, before moving to Australia, then when he was around 15/16 i think that when he moved to england (again please someone correct me if i'm wrong)
My understanding of the Strauss situation is that he was born in SA to an English family that moved around a lot due to business. After a few years they moved to Aus for a short period and then back home to England. No particularly strong SA links as far as I understand.

As for England having a lot of foreign born players. Its only to be expected really. It is the 'Mother country' for a lot around the world with millions of British citizens living and working around the globe and having children born outside the country (Im an example of such). Also, Britain has high immigration and good career prospects in many areas (IMO, London is 1 of only 2 global cities in the world) and you would expect people that move to the UK for better prospects (eg young South Africans like KP) to represent them.
 
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steds

Hall of Fame Member
Does it matter? If you have to ask you lack pride IMO.
England has something like 50 million people, surely 12 can play cricket? Sorry, 11 - they have one South African in the team already.
Yes, and Wessels happens to be one of those 50 million people. He lives here and has played all his pro cricket here. All I'm asking is if he actually qualifies to play for us.
 

wpdavid

International Coach
My understanding of the Strauss situation is that he was born in SA to an English family that moved around a lot due to business. After a few years they moved to Aus for a short period and then back home to England. No particularly strong SA links as far as I understand.
I thought both of Strauss' parents are South African. Wouldn't swear to it though.
 

Bob Bamber

U19 12th Man
For me Read gets one more chance tommorow. He's got to show his hand with the bat. I think technically this is probably unfair on Read but we need a new keeper , who can bat. Pothas fills that role.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Yes, and Wessels happens to be one of those 50 million people. He lives here and has played all his pro cricket here. All I'm asking is if he actually qualifies to play for us.
Don't believe so but for what is worth Stephen Brenkley said that young Riki Wessels will return ‘home’ to South Africa in a couple years time and try and play for them.

And with Kepler gone from Northamptonshire that maybe true though young Riki has more chance in England, South Africa have at least five or more wicket keeper batsman who would be ahead of him currently or in the future.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Flintoff will be @ 7 he will be a bowler, plus Hoggard, Panesar, Jones, Harmo to bring up the rear. So actually the same 5 bowlers will be around..
So we still have a pathetic number 8 then?

Surely the idea is to put in a proper batsman to drop Flintoff to 7 then a keeper at 8 and 3 other bowlers?
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
So we still have a pathetic number 8 then?

Surely the idea is to put in a proper batsman to drop Flintoff to 7 then a keeper at 8 and 3 other bowlers?
Alternatively, give Cook the gloves and drop him to 6. Pick Vaughan/Joyce instead of a keeper and let him open with Strauss. Push Flintoff down to 7. Recall Corky to bat 8 :D

...Then whatever 3 bowlers we can find.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Flintoff Injury free at #7, with a real wicket keeper batsman at 6 would be ideal. If they do not have such a wicketkeeper and have Read/Jones instead, then

6. Batsman (perhaps one who can send down a few spin overs)
7. Flintoff
8. Read
9-11. Bowlers

That would be a good deep batting lineup.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Flintoff Injury free at #7, with a real wicket keeper batsman at 6 would be ideal. If they do not have such a wicketkeeper and have Read/Jones instead, then
If Flintoff is injury free then IMO it's 4 man attack, best glovesman at 8 and 6 batsmen.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Flintoff Injury free at #7, with a real wicket keeper batsman at 6 would be ideal. If they do not have such a wicketkeeper and have Read/Jones instead, then
Nah, a keeper bat would either bat 8 or, god forbid, have Flintoff at 8. 6 should be for a specialist bat. Having a genuine allrounder like Flintoff gives England the potential of having the longest batting line-up rather than the shortest.
No 8 is such an important position ala Pollock, Warne. A guy who can bat here makes such a difference. A keeper batsman at 8 would make England such a stronger and more successful team.
 

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