Trouble in the English camp : Pietersen Vs Moores!?

[pskov]

I don't think only money can lure Moody, the guy said no to the Indian coaching job, so that obviously shows he is not intersted in taking over the reigns of any international team atm.

I wouldn't be surprised if the BCCI don't pay as well as the ECB to be honest. Plus you have to consider that being westerners Moody and his family would probably rather live in England than in India.

I think that quote basically says to the ECB "Make me an offer and I'll listen, but it will have to blow me away if I'm going to take it." As I said before it's all well and good being happy and settled in nice surroundings, but when someone offers to triple your salary you'd have to be an idiot to not seriously consider it.

 

[honestbharani]

I think Steve Waugh has summed the whole situation quite well, as to what should have been done.

not really... It will work with guys like Steve Waugh but once you are punting with someone like KP as your captain, you HAVE to buy into his vision.. like how India bought into Greg Chappell's vision. It was a complete bust - up but now we know it was HIS fault and that his way would have never worked in India.. We gave him all he wanted, we gave him his best shot at success and he still failed. So there are no regrets from either side... We now KNOW that his way would not work with the national team in INdia. As they say, when you take a chance, go all the way. This kind of neither here nor there approach from ECB is the reason for all this, IMHO...

 

[BoyBrumby]

I don't think only money can lure Moody, the guy said no to the Indian coaching job, so that obviously shows he is not intersted in taking over the reigns of any international team atm.

No, but Moody's wife is English, not Indian and he was based here for several years when playing for and then coaching Worcs, so it'd be far less of an adjustment for his family than a move to India would. Plus he's said he's interested, as far as public politeless to his current employers will allow, as quoted in Bob's post,

"This day and age, you're not going to turn your back on any opportunity."

Hardly a "no chance", is it?

 

[pup11]

No, but Moody's wife is English, not Indian and he was based here for several years when playing for and then coaching Worcs, so it'd be far less of an adjustment for his family than a move to India would. Plus he's said he's interested, as far as public politeless to his current employers will allow, as quoted in Bob's post,

"This day and age, you're not going to turn your back on any opportunity."

Hardly a "no chance", is it?

What makes you think ECB would break bank to acquire the services of Moody, if they were so interested in having his services then they would have done that before appointing Moores, he has already said he is not interested in the job, so therefore i can't see the ECB either chasing him with $$ in their hands.

Moody not only is working with the Warriors, he is also the coach of Kings XI in the IPL, and there too he gets paid quite well.

 

[Penguinissimo]

I've just seen this as a genuine strap-line to a story on Cricinfo:

The momentum behind Graham Ford, the Kent director of cricket, as a successor to Peter Moores as England coach is growing after support from Robert Key

Umm....what? Why does Rob Key's view have anything to do with it? Last I checked he hadn't been involved with the senior England set-up for some years. And of course he supports his current coach getting the job, since it massively increases his chance of getting a recall at some point.

There have been a lot of stupid stories written about this saga, but that is the most pointless.

 

[superkingdave]

I think anyone with Rob Key's weight behind them is going to have a lot of momentum tbh

 

[Penguinissimo]

I think anyone with Rob Key's ego behind them is going to have a lot of momentum tbh

FYP

 

[BoyBrumby]

What makes you think ECB would break bank to acquire the services of Moody, if they were so interested in having his services then they would have done that before appointing Moores, he has already said he is not interested in the job, so therefore i can't see the ECB either chasing him with $$ in their hands.

Moody not only is working with the Warriors, he is also the coach of Kings XI in the IPL, and there too he gets paid quite well.

I'm not suggesting they are. £400k is (apparently) the going rate for our coach, at least according to Vic Marks in yesterday's Observer:

Who knows if Moody will be willing to move back to England from Western Australia, or even if he will want to take a job he should have been offered last time?

Other candidates may be put off by the treatment given to Moores - but not for long. The simple fact is that coaching England is one of the most lucrative posts on the circuit, commanding a salary in excess of £400,000. That compensates for a little insecurity and the odd humiliation.

 

[Langeveldt]

I'd rather take the security than have to work with Pietersen.. England aren't the first board he has had a run in with, just ask Mr Gallian...Best of luck to the bloke who has to take charge of what are at the moment, IMO a very mediocre bunch of players and a **** as captain..

 

[Richard]

What would be the point in Fletcher coming back as coach? He clearly had done all he could in the role, a return would risk tainting his legacy (which some would say he did with some bizarre selection policies post-05 Ashes).

The guy did really well, but it really was the right time to go, I don't for a minute think it was just the press who thought that. His tenure had run its course.

OK, for starters Duncan Fletcher's bizarre selections were in no way confined to post-2005. He wasn't that good a selector in my book, he earned plaudits (wrongly in my view) for supposedly seeing Marcus Trescothick was going to be Test-class and people glossed-over the innumerable mistakes that were made in the ODI team in his time and the not-inconsiderable number of basic mistakes in Test selection (Chris Schofield was the first, right at the start of his tenure).

No coach has ever done all he can. A coach's role remains the same - to improve each and every player he comes accross. Duncan Fletcher was and remained excellent at that. The trouble was that he was never very good at selecting players. People glossed that over for a while, but eventually The Press turned on him.

If he returned, it'd have to be with a minimised role on selection IMO. That said, he was by absolutely no stretch of the imagination the only selector to make plenty of mistakes, for England or for anyone else. Selectors are just in general an incompetant bunch, I can't ever recall seeing a selection committee who didn't make errors with considerable regularity.

 

[Richard]

Best of luck to the bloke who has to take charge of what are at the moment, IMO a very mediocre bunch of players and a **** as captain..

That's almost belief-defyingly harsh on Andrew Strauss. What on Earth has he done to be described as anything other than a perfectly decent guy? I've never seen anything to suggest otherwise.

 

[Uppercut]

That's almost belief-defyingly harsh on Andrew Strauss. What on Earth has he done to be described as anything other than a perfectly decent guy? I've never seen anything to suggest otherwise.

Strauss really improved my opinion of him in India with his smiling smugly at Yuvraj Singh's attempted angriness before going on to hit twin centuries. Was very endearing in his interview with the BBC after receiving the captaincy, refreshingly honest and just generally decent about the whole thing.

 

[GIMH]

He's a top bloke, for sure

 

[chris.hinton]

My View is that English cricket is a shambles and this could have been handled better, and KP should have stayed as Skipper.

I would love to see Tom Moody as our next coach as he is a Worcestershire legend

 

[Richard]

Strauss really improved my opinion of him in India with his smiling smugly at Yuvraj Singh's attempted angriness before going on to hit twin centuries. Was very endearing in his interview with the BBC after receiving the captaincy, refreshingly honest and just generally decent about the whole thing.

I've thought highly of him as a person since long before the last month TBH.

 

[ozone]

I've thought highly of him as a person since long before the last month TBH.

Agree 100%, personally had a very high opinion of him as a person since about his fourth test.

 

[Bob Bamber]

From one South African captain to another...

 

[Richard]

There is absolutely no way Andrew Strauss is South African, any more than Owais Shah or Usman Afzaal are Pakistani.

Or any more than Darren Pattinson is British.

Just because you lived somewhere up to the age of six doesn't make that country yours if you've lived elsewhere for the next 24 years.

 

[JimmyGS]

Just because you lived somewhere up to the age of six doesn't make that country yours if you've lived elsewhere for the next 24 years.

You should probably start every post with "In my opinion".

Because, technically, it does.

 

[four_or_six]

You should probably start every post with "In my opinion".

Because, technically, it does.

It doesn't, not if you've got a British passport and your parents happen to be living and working in South Africa.