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Srinath in tests: 1996-2002
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marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
I believe that "QED" is appropriate here.
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Xuhaib
International Coach
Manee though this thread is about Pathan.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
He could, he just chose not to.
R_D
International Debutant
Yeah i have two memories of Srinath as well..... balling half trackers and than complaining why the hell didn't the fielder stop the bowl
But he did learn to pitch it further up the pitch towards the end of his career.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
LOL WTF? Talent does not equal speed.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Absolutely agree. Mcgrath was one of the most talented bowlers in the history of cricket.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Meh. Expected ignorant response. Where did I say it equals speed. Also, McGrath at his fastest was as fast as Srinath, surprised you don't know that being such a big McGrath fan.
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Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Why I feel Srinath and Gillespie were more talented than McGrath
McGrath didn't have that many special deliveries. Even when he bowled on the spot, he didn't trouble the batsmen like Srinath or Gillespie troubled the batsmen when they bowled on the spot.
McGrath was always an accurate bowler but as time went on and his speed reduced, he improved his accuracy, also limiting the types of deliveries he bowled. He did all this with great discipline. I would call Allan Donald and Curtly Ambrose as bowlers who were really that talented. McGrath was talented for sure but not a great deal when compared to other great bowlers of his generation or in one particular case, a mediocre bowler who didn't achieve his potential in Jawagal Srinath.
McGrath didn't have that many special deliveries. Even when he bowled on the spot, he didn't trouble the batsmen like Srinath or Gillespie troubled the batsmen when they bowled on the spot.
McGrath was always an accurate bowler but as time went on and his speed reduced, he improved his accuracy, also limiting the types of deliveries he bowled. He did all this with great discipline. I would call Allan Donald and Curtly Ambrose as bowlers who were really that talented. McGrath was talented for sure but not a great deal when compared to other great bowlers of his generation or in one particular case, a mediocre bowler who didn't achieve his potential in Jawagal Srinath.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
I feel that the mistake you are making is confusing raw bowling skills with talent or potential. Srinath and Gillespie may have had a more troubling length delivery but the ability to land the ball on a spot, 6 times out of 6, is a far more valuable abilitiy, imo. Concentration, discipline and consistency are talents too; it is not as if Gillespie and Srinath lacked discipline or the effort to improve the mentality and consistency of their game, it just was not in their ability to do so to the level of Mcgrath.
Okay, that paragraph reads terribly, but what I am trying to say is that a 'dynamic' bowler who moves the ball a foot is not necessarily more talented to the one who bowls accurately and does not move the ball. This is because the biomechanics, concentration and discipline to do this can not always be achieved with practice and a feature of someone's bowling is only as valuable as the reward it brings, surely.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
No one would say that he was talentless, but he lacked a crucial ability to replicate his top form more often.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Not sure about that. Have read numerous articles noting that Srinath could crank it up to 145-150kph whereas I have only heard of Mcgrath bowling at just over 140kph.
Javagal Srinath: One in a billion | Cricket News | Global | Cricinfo.com
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
So what you are saying Manee is essentially that the bowlers who average the least are the most talented? I don't agree with that. A lot of bowlers utilize their talent and some even outperform like a McGrath or a Steve Waugh (better example). Others underperform like Srinath.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
When McGrath burst on to the scene in the mid 90s, he was quick enough and got a lot of wickets 'troubling the batsmen' with balls like his incutters because of a combination of trajectory and speed, both.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Not necessarily, but most of the time, yes. I feel we are differing here though, as we regard talent as two different things. I believe you regard talent as raw physical ability, whereas I regard it as natural features which includes mental abilities and less tangible physical traits.
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Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Yes, but the article notes that the same view was held of Mcgrath when he was timed and it came out at 140kph - showing that, as Michael Atherton once remarked, "the speed gun does not do him justice". I must note that this has little to do with the talent argument, but I found your quote that Mcgrath and Srinath was of similar pace, as inaccurate.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
I'm not sure what you mean by raw hardwork, whether Srinath was averse to it or was a hard worker himself. However, 'being brainless' would certainly equate to a lack of mental talent, imo.