Shaggy Alfresco
State Captain
We're just crap.Not sure about England.
We're just crap.Not sure about England.
Can't choke if you don't get in a position to choke.India have been called chokers for quite a while now. Pakistan won a WC 4 tournaments ago, which isn't really that long ago, plus they made th final in '99. Not sure about England.
Should the tag really apply to a team that makes it to the WC finals? I mean its no easy ask to make three finals, and they always lost to better teams, didn't they?TBF we've managed to lose two WC finals when we were in positions to win at times during both matches, so we weren't adverse to the occasional choke.
That's certainly true of 1979, but we were arguably a better one day outfit than either Oz in 1987 or Pakistan in 1992. We'd bowled the latter out for 70-odd in the group stage before rain interrupted.Should the tag really apply to a team that makes it to the WC finals? I mean its no easy ask to make three finals, and they always lost to better teams, didn't they?
That's certainly true of 1979, but we were arguably a better one day outfit than either Oz in 1987 or Pakistan in 1992. We'd bowled the latter out for 70-odd in the group stage before rain interrupted.
Dunno if that was a choke as such. More like a severe case of over-confidence, imo.It's no coincidence that we had both games virtually won before wickets at a crucial time in both yanked them away.
The ultimate WC choke, though, has to be 1983. West Indies losing to India is easily the biggest upset in WC-final history.
Boring?? Quite the opposite really. I just had a quick look at the on-line news reports out of South Africa, and this match and the "choke" is somewhat breaking news and front page news. It appears to be of interest to the nation.This is the most boring subject ever. No matter in what thread the words South Africa comes up in, there will also be a few pages of posts with the word chokers in it. Same old, same old. Makes one lose interest in any discussion of the team immediately. And you all wonder why you have so few Saffies on this forum.
A wise and considered response.Will see tomorrow if they really still are the chokers or not!
Well stated. You can also throw in NZ and Sri Lanka. When the pressure is on in an important match against the best in the world they also choke big time.They won't lose the choker tag until they win a world cup.. What I don't understand is why the same doesn't apply to Pakistan, India or England..