Sehwag weak against shortball : johnson

[robelinda]

But who does play that type of attacking innings when conditions are pace friendly and the attack is top shelf?

I can't think of that many tbh. Hughes at the MCG vs the WI, though that deck was more up and down than a green top. Roy Fredricks at the WACA in 75-76 was probably the most coruscating test innings played against crazy fast bowling on a bouncy deck.

I'm sure there are others, but they aren't a dime a dozen.

By all accounts Wayne Phillips' ton v WI in 1984 was magnificent.

I'd maybe include Laxman's 167 too, maybe. Not a fast deck though.

Ponting's 197 at Perth in 99 wasnt too bad on a very fast deck against very fast bowling. Hooked and pulled amazingly well.

Allan Lamb's ton in the first test in 1990 v WI was pretty awesome.

 

[Jono]

Wow, thanks for that clip. Reminded me just what an amazing knock that was. We used to have 45(150) specialist Aakash Chopra at the other end those days while Sehwag used to score at a run a ball.

Haha hilarious times.

I was there that day. Best knock I've seen live for sure.

 

[aussie]

But who does play that type of attacking innings when conditions are pace friendly and the attack is top shelf?

I can't think of that many tbh. Hughes at the MCG vs the WI, though that deck was more up and down than a green top. Roy Fredricks at the WACA in 75-76 was probably the most coruscating test innings played against crazy fast bowling on a bouncy deck.

I'm sure there are others, but they aren't a dime a dozen.

Exacttly they haven't happened often in test history. Since great pace attacks in bowler friendly conditions is almost impossible to smoke them @ the rate Sehwag did @ MCG 03, Chennai 08, Lahore 06, Mumbai 08 vs SRI, Multan 04.

All those innings prove is Sehwag has smoke very good & joke attacks on roads @ a superb rate/more than run-a-ball. Unless he does againts a quality pace attack similar to Fredricks 1976 (which id say is the only truly Sehwag type innings on flat decks againts a really top-class pace attack on a seaming/bouncy in test history).

So unless he scores at rate Fredericks style one day againts a top pace on a seaming/bouncy decks. All this talk naive talk of him revolutionizing test match scoring etc, will always be inaccurate.

 

[Flem274*]

Exacttly they haven't happened often in test history. Since great pace attacks in bowler friendly conditions is almost impossible to smoke them @ the rate Sehwag did @ MCG 03, Chennai 08, Lahore 06, Mumbai 08 vs SRI, Multan 04.

All those innings prove is Sehwag has smoke very good & joke attacks on roads @ a superb rate/more than run-a-ball. Unless he does againts a quality pace attack similar to Fredricks 1976 (which id say is the only truly Sehwag type innings on flat decks againts a really top-class pace attack on a seaming/bouncy in test history).

So unless he scores at rate Fredericks style one day againts a top pace on a seaming/bouncy decks. All this talk naive talk of him revolutionizing test match scoring etc, will always be inaccurate.

Nah, wrong. You don't have to smash ATGs to change something.

 

[vcs]

As fine a sight as they present, there is more to Test cricket than a fearsome four man pace attack steaming in on a fast, bouncy track. Honestly.

 

[Shri]

Their was nothing bouncy about the Mohali pitch. A bouncy pitch is Perth, Barbados, Jamaica at their peaks in the 70s, 80s, 90s.

The bounce AUS quicks out of that pitch was due to the real extra effort they put in.

Bull****. Go watch the ball that got Clarke out and get back to the thread. The Aus bowlers kept chucking pies for a large part of day 5 and didn't bowl well enough to get steep bounce. And to top it off the ball that got Clake was not even 140Kph. The pitch did not get enough sun shine before the game because of the weather and once it dried up for 3 days under the sun, it went back to being a typical bouncy Mohali track with variable bounce.

 

[Jono]

Look at the ball Sachin got on day 5 (not the one he was dismissed with, but an earlier one which hit him on the gloves).

To say there was no bounce in that wicket on day 4 and day 5 is silly.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Bull****. Go watch the ball that got Clarke out and get back to the thread. The Aus bowlers kept chucking pies for a large part of day 5 and didn't bowl well enough to get steep bounce. And to top it off the ball that got Clake was not even 140Kph. The pitch did not get enough sun shine before the game because of the weather and once it dried up for 3 days under the sun, it went back to being a typical bouncy Mohali track with variable bounce.

Mohali is not bouncy in comparison to any non-subcontinental pitch.

 

[Shri]

Mohali is not bouncy in comparison to any non-subcontinental pitch.

But he said that there was nothing bouncy about the pitch which is plain old bull****.

 

[vic_orthdox]

But he said that there was nothing bouncy about the pitch which is plain old bull****.

Fair. Looking back, should have highlighted the last line of your post;"typical bouncy Mohali track".

 

[Black_Warrior]

The MCG pitch in 2003 when he scored that 195 was certainly not bouncy. That entire series had flat pitches (except for the 1st session of the second day of the Brisbane test when the conditons got overcast & Khan took 5 wickets).

LOL that Melbourne pitch was no more or less flatter than standard Australian pitches. Australian pitches have rarely been green tops...there is a reason why English seamers suck so bad in Australia. If you are going to dismiss that knock on account of it being on a flat pitch, you will have to dismiss some greats knocks scored on Australian pitches by Ponting, Lara, Waugh, Tendulkar and heaps of other great batsmen

 

[vic_orthdox]

LOL that Melbourne pitch was no more or less flatter than standard Australian pitches. Australian pitches have rarely been green tops...there is a reason why English seamers suck so bad in Australia. If you are going to dismiss that knock on account of it being on a flat pitch, you will have to dismiss some greats knocks scored on Australian pitches by Ponting, Lara, Waugh, Tendulkar and heaps of other great batsmen

Yeah, was a pretty bog standard Australian pitch of the 21st century, really. MCG's deck just has no character at all since the drop in pitches have been used.

 

[vcs]

I am interested to know when this drop-in pitch business started in Australia. Is that why Perth also doesn't offer as much bounce these days as it used to earlier? I remember the MCG pitch being a fairly lively one in '99 when Tendulkar scored a hundred there. Is it fair to say that Australian conditions have become fairly homogenized and more batsman-friendly in this decade compared to earlier?

 

[vic_orthdox]

I am interested to know when this drop-in pitch business started in Australia. Is that why Perth also doesn't offer as much bounce these days as it used to earlier? I remember the MCG pitch being a fairly lively one in '99 when Tendulkar scored a hundred there. Is it fair to say that Australian conditions have become fairly homogenized and more batsman-friendly in this decade compared to earlier?

A bit after the turn of the century in Australia. The MCG is the only major Test venue that uses them at this stage, because the turf gets so muddy during the AFL season, which plays around 80 matches a year at the 'G.

They've also been used at the Docklands Stadium when they've played One Day Internationals there.

 

[vcs]

A bit after the turn of the century in Australia. The MCG is the only major Test venue that uses them at this stage, because the turf gets so muddy during the AFL season, which plays around 80 matches a year at the 'G.

They've also been used at the Docklands Stadium when they've played One Day Internationals there.

Thanks.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I am interested to know when this drop-in pitch business started in Australia. Is that why Perth also doesn't offer as much bounce these days as it used to earlier? I remember the MCG pitch being a fairly lively one in '99 when Tendulkar scored a hundred there. Is it fair to say that Australian conditions have become fairly homogenized and more batsman-friendly in this decade compared to earlier?

With regards to pitches, there was a general view that the Adelaide pitch was the best during the 1990s and so pressure came to replicate it.

The WACA got dangerous and ridiculous in one Test (this one, tried finding vision from later on where balls were grubbing and flying all over the place but couldn't get it) especially, whilst the SCG has had quite a few resurfacings.

 

[aussie]

Nah, wrong. You don't have to smash ATGs to change something.

Sehwag hasn't changed anything. Throughout his career unless he has gotten a flat track whether facing a quality pace attack or joke attack - thats the only time when he smoked those hundreds @ more than a run a ball. Gilchrist did that @ 7 in this era gone & Hayden also @ close to run-a-ball as well.

But the many times he has encounted good/very good/top-class/ATG fast bowlers on seamers/bouncy decks he has failed abysmally. What is revolutionary about such a batsmen?. If he goes to SA this year end and has another series where he averages sub 20 as he has done in the past when he faced quality attacks overseas - Sehwag will simply go down as the most destructive batsman in test history on flat tracks.

If he can score those more han a run-a-ball hundreds againts a great attack he will prove that do it not just on roads but everywhere & that will be truly revolutionary, given it has only really happened once to great attack on helpul deck in test history (Fredricks @ Petth 76)

LOL that Melbourne pitch was no more or less flatter than standard Australian pitches. Australian pitches have rarely been green tops...there is a reason why English seamers suck so bad in Australia. If you are going to dismiss that knock on account of it being on a flat pitch, you will have to dismiss some greats knocks scored on Australian pitches by Ponting, Lara, Waugh, Tendulkar and heaps of other great batsmen

I wouldn't have to dismiss none of great knocks Lara & Tendy for eg played in AUS. Since they faced scored them againts great AUS attacks. That MCG hundred was againts the worst AUS home attack during the glroy years of 95-2006/07 - that pitch being flat then just made it even worse & the knock less significant, since we have seen all before from Sehwag.

Waugh & Ponting also scored hundred againts good foreign attacks in AUS also. So i dont know what you are talking about.

Bull****. Go watch the ball that got Clarke out and get back to the thread. The Aus bowlers kept chucking pies for a large part of day 5 and didn't bowl well enough to get steep bounce. And to top it off the ball that got Clake was not even 140Kph. The pitch did not get enough sun shine before the game because of the weather and once it dried up for 3 days under the sun, it went back to being a typical bouncy Mohali track with variable bounce.

Ok. So if you are playing a test match on bouncy deck like Perth, Barbados, Jamaica, Durban & a few balls here or their over the course of the 5 days test keeps low. Would you call that a pitch with uneven bounce?? SMH

Plus i dont know since when Mohali is "typical bouncy deck". Lucky over the past 10 years England (2001, 2006, 2008) & Ausralian (08, 10) (plus i saw a bit of the NZ 03 test & PAK 05 test) tours have had a few tests @ Moahil. Except for ENGs 06 test for the 1st couple days, Mohali test in all the tests i've seen have been your typical flat sub-continent pitch - that turns later on.

 

[Shri]

Edit: I am speaking to a wall anyway, never mind.

 

[Teja.]

Sehwag will simply go down as the most destructive batsman in test history on flat tracks.

That accolade, along with being the most destructive batsman in test history overall, belongs to a certain Mr. Bradman.

 

[weldone]

That accolade, along with being the most destructive batsman in test history overall, belongs to a certain Mr. Bradman.

No doubt about that.