Sachin is to Kohli what Maradona is to Messi?

[SachinFan]

I have never heard of any of these people.

You haven't heard the names of Shane Warne, Dale Steyn? What are you doing on a cricket forum then?

 

[trundler]

You haven't heard the names of Shane Warne, Dale Steyn? What are you doing on a cricket forum then?

So that he can let people know Tendy is a buffoon.

 

[sledger]

You haven't heard the names of Shane Warne, Dale Steyn? What are you doing on a cricket forum then?

I am just here to upset people, mainly.

 

[ankitj]

This **** has a point for once. Monkey just means uncivilised in the SC. That's like someone from ancient the world mistakenly thinking someone was calling them wise instead of treacherous upon being referred to as a snake.

South Asians are also quite casual about racism. May have to do with the fact that we did not need a revolution or civil war to eradicate racism because we had different kind of **** to deal with. E.g. not throwing widows into pyre. If westerners heard some of the jokes from stand up comedians from this part of the world, they will be stunned.

Oh and dare I say jokes with racist overtones are more popular in Pakistan. See Shakeel Siddiqui, Rauf Lala etc.

 

[trundler]

Yeah, casual racism and colourism are common in the SC. Ethnic hatred is more of a severe problem than racism in particular because of our different history. Also, I have never heard of those people.

 

[Burgey]

Oh well then, just don’t worry about it. Monkey away next time the West Indies tour. All good, because it’s fine on the SC (@ ankit btw)

 

[cnerd123]

oh look, Burgey has successfully another decent thread into the dumpster, albeit with timely assistance from sledger.

hope the mods are looking.

 

[ankitj]

Yeah, casual racism and colourism are common in the SC. Ethnic hatred is more of a severe problem than racism in particular because of our different history. Also, I have never heard of those people.

You haven't? They aren't even popular in Pakistan and were sent over to India? Scandal!

 

[trundler]

Could just be before my time, I suppose.

 

[sledger]

The "monkey just means uncivilised in Asia" argument is so poor

 

[trundler]

It is true though. Not an excuse. He should've known better and it is insensitive. But I've been referred to as a monkey my whole life.

 

[cnerd123]

It is true though. Not an excuse. He should've known better and it is insensitive. But I've been referred to as a monkey my whole life.

You haven't understood yet

They're not trying to have a discussion. This track has been played a thousand times before.

They're trying to derail the thread and start a flame war.

Burgey forced this topic into discussion because he has a whole lot of arguments and lines and dialogues saved up from over the years that he can use to paint people who disagree with him as being racist and insensitive, and only does this to stir **** up and create drama

He's not looking for a reasonable discussion and Sledger is just fanning the flames.

Just leave this alone.

 

[sledger]

I'm not, it's not true.

 

[trundler]

There could be an element of casual racism to it depending on context but that is how the term is generally used. Dgaf about Gavaskar or whatever.

 

[Burgey]

It is true though. Not an excuse. He should've known better and it is insensitive. But I've been referred to as a monkey my whole life.

And Trundler, people from your nation have been referred to by its first four letters over here their whole lives without a thought from locals that it’s an offensive term (was never thought as such here going back). As you say, it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t refrain. The idea Gavaskar had no idea that his choice of words in recently independent former slave colonies while talking about black people is as believable as Harby not knowing.

Adopting *****’s line of thinking, folks here should just carry on calling Pakistanis P***s and not worry about it. It’s dumb arse logic. You can’t expect sensitivity towards your own mores but wilfully ignore those of others.

 

[sledger]

There could be an element of casual racism to it depending on context but that is how the term is generally used. Dgaf about Gavaskar or whatever.

This is the troubling element tbh. It suggests that racism is culturally embedded.

 

[trundler]

And Trundler, people from your nation have been referred to by its first four letters over here their whole lives without a thought from locals that it’s an offensive term (was never thought as such here going back). As you say, it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t refrain. The idea Gavaskar had no idea about that his choice of words in recently independent former slave colonies while talking about black people is as believable as Harby not knowing.

Adopting *****’s line of thinking, folks here should just carry on calling Pakistanis P***s and not worry about it. It’s dumb arse logic. You can’t expect sensitivity towards your own mores but wilfully ignore those of others.

Agreed with the first bit. Don't know anything about the Gavaskar case.

This is the troubling element tbh. It suggests that racism is culturally embedded.

You know that's not what I meant though. The it in that sentence referred to its usage to denote naughtiness sans any racial connotations, which it could have. I will say that people can be insensitive about racism here due to ignorance but I'm now fairly certain I'm being baited.

 

[trundler]

Now I would like to go back to knockout performances. I don't really care about averages since it's a small sample size and one good or bad innings could have too much effect. Instead I look for quality innings individually. Ponting has 2 epic centuries to his name which imo shows what he was capable of. Tendulkar played a lot of quality knocks in QFs and SFs too.

 

[Burgey]

Tendulkar in the 03 semi final(?) when he took on Shoaib was his best WC knock imo. Just pumped him.

 

[trundler]

Oh yeah, that deserved a century for sure. He owned him. The look of helplessness on Akhtar's face was something.