Sachin is to Kohli what Maradona is to Messi?

[harsh.ag]

Okay, take it down a notch. Let's not get into personal insults here.

 

[trundler]

Harsh is a terrible mod

 

[sledger]

Yes. Deal with it.

I daresay I would be happier not dealing with it.

 

[SachinFan]

Yes. The Australian team's "Ugly Aussie" tag is well deserved. Gavaskar mentioned the same in Idols as well. Can't expect much when the team had players like the Chappells, Lillee, each of which was an asshole of the highest degree (just like they were cricketers of the highest degree). The baton was carried forward by Steve Waugh, Mcgrath, Ponting. However, the current Aussie team is really cool. All of them gentlemen. So hope that that ugliness dies down. May be they can learn from the West Indies team. They had equal talents of the highest degree, but they commanded love and adulation from every corner.

 

[SachinFan]

I daresay I would be happier not dealing with it.

Agreed. Shane Warne would have been happier not getting hammered by Tendulkar all around the park. Neither would Dale Steyn. Nor would Shoaib Akhtar. But they all ended up dealing with it. That is life.

 

[SachinFan]

Harsh is a terrible mod

LOL, why? Because he is trying to defuse the situation?

 

[Kirkut]

LOL, why? Because he is trying to defuse the situation?

Yes, pitches have been too flat lately in CW. Need more grass and cracks, also sunilz is quick in air.

 

[Bijed]

Have never seen a more pathetic poster than Burgey on any cricket forum. Imagine Indian posters bringing this incident whenever we discuss Border or Australian cricket team

Sometime in 1979 in Kanpur, the Australian cricketers had come up with a plan to break their boredom. They would queue up in front of the hotel windows and throw money out on the streets. Even as people below would scramble for the money, the players would empty a bucketful of water on them. They called it “Raining Rupees”. In his 1986 book, Allan Border mentions the shenanigans from the tour: “We took to dropping rupees and watch them scramble .We would fill up all the available receptacles in the hotel room with water, drop the coins and whoosh!”



The racial arrogance inherent in the act seems to have escaped a man of Border’s stature. Incredibly, he even ends that passage with: “Remarkably, the Indians loved it.”
https://indianexpress.com/article/o...ralia-ball-tampering-steve-smith-ban-5112352/

And some racist English posters think he is a very good poster.

FWIW that incident was brought up in another thread a while back and Burgey condemned Border's actions in no uncertain terms

 

[Burgey]

We've had generations of subcontinental posters show up here and state this in reference to Monkey gate and Gavaskar's comments, and yet Burgey refuses to budge on his views. He attributes malice to where ignorance and lack of cultural awareness would be sufficient. Not only that, but he goes around instigating this argument with every Indian poster he can find. He's either got this real deep seated belief that Indians use the word Monkey as a racist term, and that everyone who says otherwise is an apologist, or he does this to instigate a **** fight he knows he can use his lawyer cunning to win and get someone else banned.

And then he wonders why people accuse him of trolling

There's a couple of things about this post which are, as usual, selectively ignorant.

Firstly, the idea that Gavaskar is/ was ignorant of the term he used. Rubbish. No one has played the race card more than Sunny when it's suited him. No one. Don't pretend he wasn't/ isn't aware of the effect of what he wrote.

WRT Monkeygate, you of course ignore the fact that merely 8-10 weeks earlier, the same protagonists were involved in a dust up in India, at which point in time the reference was specifically explained to Harbhajan. Yet barely two months later, there we were.

It's pretty ****ing appalling on your part to defend this sort of ****, and you're doing it purely on the basis that it's an Indian cricketer who's involved. If you expect (appropriately) people to respect the customs of the SC when they're touring, then believe it or not, blokes like Gavaskar and HBS are entitled to respect the customs of the places they're touring.

 

[Burgey]

FWIW that incident was brought up in another thread a while back and Burgey condemned Border's actions in no uncertain terms

Of course. It's deplorable. I suppose I ought to have said "Oh well, he was only young, didn't realise what he was doing, or that it might cause offence to people." Yeah, that'd wash.

 

[Burgey]

When and where did Gavaskar play the race card?

A couple of examples - post Sydney 08, accused Procter of "accepting the white man's word over the brown man's." Which was kind of odd, given, you know, Andrew Symonds.

He also tried to have Barry Richards sacked from a media gig, called his employer and told them Richards is a racist.

There's no question Gavaskar is one of the best opening batsmen ever. He was technically brilliant, and above all else he was brave AF. He has, unfortunately, demonstrated the sort of balance which comes about when you have a chip on both shoulders. It doesn't detract from his record as a batsman, but it says a bit about him as a bloke.It's not just a race thing with him, he's had plenty of run ins with blokes he played with as well. But look, there's a lot of great players who aren't good blokes - Bradman springs to mind for one, Warne too. Great cricketers, widely regarded as arseholes.

No one is perfect in these matters (very few are anyway) but you can't selectively plead ignorance and expect people to respect cultural mores in one part of the world, but not others. ***** is happy to excuse that sort of thing, but only when the player in question hails from one of the seventeen nations he supports. Otherwise, it apparently isn't on.If you excuse Gavaskar's comments about the West Indies in 1976, then excuse Tony Greig's in the same year. Neither are any good.

 

[Burgey]

Yes. The Australian team's "Ugly Aussie" tag is well deserved. Gavaskar mentioned the same in Idols as well. Can't expect much when the team had players like the Chappells, Lillee, each of which was an asshole of the highest degree (just like they were cricketers of the highest degree). The baton was carried forward by Steve Waugh, Mcgrath, Ponting. However, the current Aussie team is really cool. All of them gentlemen. So hope that that ugliness dies down. May be they can learn from the West Indies team. They had equal talents of the highest degree, but they commanded love and adulation from every corner.

This is revisionism tbh. They really didn't. They got a lot of criticism for slow over rates, intimidating umpires and bowling basically four bouncers an over, including at tail enders (they didn't start the latter tbf, but they perfected it). Some of that is dealt with in Fire in Babylon and I certainly thing there was an element of traditional countries not liking what was dished back to them. But some of the criticism was also well founded. It's a myth to suggest the WI team of the 80s always behaved in an exemplary way. You had Croft bowling over an umpire, Holding kicking down the stumps, Lloyd berating umpires in breaks and intimidating them, half their side refusing to play a third final out here in 84 when the second was tied. None of that detracts from their brilliance, but as with any team, you can point to things and say they weren't perfect. They were never as bad as Australia under Waugh, it should be said.

My favourite WI bad behaviour story was a young Viv pre-debut getting a duck in the first innings of a game with a big crowd in to see him, visibly dissenting against the decision which caused a riot with the crowd saying "No Viv, no game." So they let him come out and bat again, whereupon he got another duck. Then got a duck in the second dig as well - one game, three ducks! I think I read he copped the rest of the season for that effort.

 

[cnerd123]

Yea it doesn't really matter what you think about Gavaskar being racist Burgey, because you brought it up completely unprovoked in an attempt to derail the thread.

Like Sunilz said - why don't you bring up the deplorable behaviour of Australian cricketers every time their name gets mentioned, regardless of context?

You're just attempting to stir **** up and yet you wonder why people call you a troll.

 

[Burgey]

Jog on, mate. There isn’t a shunt alive who veers off course in CC than you do. And fwiw, you won’t see me on here defending players for taking racist pot shots just because I happen to follow the side they play for. It’s genuinely woeful that you’re doing it.

 

[cnerd123]

There is a difference between going off topic, and trying to instigate a flame war.

Your views on Gavaskar are well established and didn't need repeating, not least in this thread. You can't act like you care so much about this issue that you felt the overwhelming sincere need to post that, because you don't derail threads or drop snarky accusations about any other cricketers that you believe were racist in any other threads. But you chose to derail this one. It was a conscious move.

The fact that you're are now bringing posters nationality into the discussion simply because they tried to refute you is revealing your true intentions.

You just wanted to start a **** fight. That's it. This isn't constructive or relevant posting. This isn't a tangential discuss that naturally spun out of the conversation at hand. You saw a new Indian poster, who is unaware of your history, mention Gavaskar, and then decided that you would bait him by calling Gavaskar racist out of the blue.

Instead of copping that there was no need for that discussion here, you're now just trying to fan the flames and make it worse. A mod has already asked everyone to cool it on the personal insults and yet you're continuing to accuse me of national bias. And not because you think that about me, you obviously know me better, but because you want to trigger me or Sunilz and co into a flame war.

It's die posting really and is why people call you a troll.

 

[Burgey]

*****, arbiter of acceptable tangents.

 

[cnerd123]

Hoping to impress GIMH and Sledger so they'll let me onto their protectors of CW team

 

[Burgey]

Lol. You’ll need Gandhi Daemon for that too.

 

[sledger]

Agreed. Shane Warne would have been happier not getting hammered by Tendulkar all around the park. Neither would Dale Steyn. Nor would Shoaib Akhtar. But they all ended up dealing with it. That is life.

I have never heard of any of these people.

 

[sledger]

***** not impressing me ftr. Burge making some very important points about how Gavaskar is a racist, and ***** trying to sweep them under the shagpile.