Rate these almost-great fast bowlers

[Bolo.]

Bond/Harris comparisons do a disservice to Bond regardless of how you rate either at their best.

Bond was always good- missed a proper test career through injury and ICL.

Harris missed much of his test career by being a late bloomer, and some through injury.

 

[stephen]

Bond/Harris comparisons do a disservice to Bond regardless of how you rate either at their best.

Bond was always good- missed a proper test career through injury and ICL.

Harris missed much of his test career by being a late bloomer, and some through injury.

He missed a lot through injury. Part of the reason he was a late bloomer was that he was injured a lot.

 

[Kirkut]

Talking about Asif still hurts. He was Philander without being crap away.

Except for subcontinent and Australia, Philander has been good everywhere. Does that still make him crap in overseas?

 

[Kirkut]

Shoaib Akhtar at his peak was fast bowling perfection.

His 6 wickets against NZ in Lahore is till now the fastest bowling ever I've watched on tv/youtube.

 

[subshakerz]

Shoaib Akhtar at his peak was fast bowling perfection.

His 6 wickets against NZ in Lahore is till now the fastest bowling ever I've watched on tv/youtube.

The problem with Shoaib is that he overly reliant on pace. He did have other skills, such as his famous slower ball, but compared to Wasim and Waqar, I dont think he had the temperament and attitude to make a longer, successful career. His stubborn refusal to cut down his overly long run up sticks out as an example.

 

[subshakerz]

So is Chaminda Vaas an almost great or a great?

Vaas at no point in his career was among the best crop of pacers in the world, stats wise or otherwise. probably because the quality of other pacers made for difficult competition.

 

[subshakerz]

bond is an odi great

i take your point somewhat. great bowlers with short careers tend to be recognised as heroes during their era (like ryan harris has been recently) and then a footnote to subsequent generations until an older fan mentions them like how bruce reid is treated now.

his nationality is a double edged sword. jack cowie is probably the #2 new zealand bowler of all time but is forgotten because of his short career that was caused through no fault of his own. being from a media powerhouse can help keep you remembered but also get you lost in the conveyor belt if your country is used to having world class bowlers.

ryan harris makes my test side of this decade and bond makes my test side of the 00s. if they're fit, every side in the world picks them. arguably almost every side in history picks them unless their attack is insane.

I think Shane Bond reminds me of Allan Donald, very much a natural swinger but I suspect his career would have tailed off in the end once his pace failed him.

 

[Kirkut]

The problem with Shoaib is that he overly reliant on pace. He did have other skills, such as his famous slower ball, but compared to Wasim and Waqar, I dont think he had the temperament and attitude to make a longer, successful career. His stubborn refusal to cut down his overly long run up sticks out as an example.

That's the part of his personality, I watch his youtube channel sometimes and he is a naturally impulsive, thinks with his heart rather than head kind of a person.

 

[TheJediBrah]

All pretty awesome bowlers. Except Kyle Abbott, who stands out as being a fair bit below the rest IMO. Plenty of Kyle Abbott-tier bowlers come along every year or 2.

Bond/Harris comparisons do a disservice to Bond

interesting take, can't agree at all

 

[Tom Flint]

bond is an odi great

i take your point somewhat. great bowlers with short careers tend to be recognised as heroes during their era (like ryan harris has been recently) and then a footnote to subsequent generations until an older fan mentions them like how bruce reid is treated now.

his nationality is a double edged sword. jack cowie is probably the #2 new zealand bowler of all time but is forgotten because of his short career that was caused through no fault of his own. being from a media powerhouse can help keep you remembered but also get you lost in the conveyor belt if your country is used to having world class bowlers.

ryan harris makes my test side of this decade and bond makes my test side of the 00s. if they're fit, every side in the world picks them. arguably almost every side in history picks them unless their attack is insane.

Who else makes your pace attack of the 2010s, I'm thinking Steyn Anderson and Cummins.
Johnson Harris philander bumrah all have a good shout too

 

[Flem274*]

when i wrote that i did a mental check and was annoyed at the decadal split. johnson had productive times in both for example.

10s i go steyn, harris, cummins.

anderson, philander, johnson, bumrah and the rest haven't done quite enough.

 

[Line and Length]

It's interesting that Ian Bishop appears in the top 50 of a number of "All Time Great Fast Bowlers". While not denying he could have reached even greater heights back for injury, one might query why he rates among the "almost" greats.

One name the perhaps is overlooked when considering "almosts" is that of Andy Caddick. Shoulder and back injuries curtailed his Test career in 1994 and 1995 and he was restricted earlier than that as he was held back from playing for Somerset in 1990 and 1990 as they already had Jimmy Cook as their overseas player. His 1992 county debut saw him quickly come to the attention of the Test selectors and he made his England debut the following year. Despite his injuries and delayed start he took 234 Test wickets @ 29.91 - figures that, for some countries, would have him listed as better than average.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Who else makes your pace attack of the 2010s, I'm thinking Steyn Anderson and Cummins.
Johnson Harris philander bumrah all have a good shout too

Anderson wouldn't make a 2nd XI of the 2010s

If you want an Englishman I'd almost go with Broad ahead of him tbh

 

[Tom Flint]

Really?? How is that?

 

[Tom Flint]

On a wind up surely

 

[StephenZA]

when i wrote that i did a mental check and was annoyed at the decadal split. johnson had productive times in both for example.

10s i go steyn, harris, cummins.

anderson, philander, johnson, bumrah and the rest haven't done quite enough.

We shall just ignore Rabada?

 

[Tom Flint]

Sorry I completely forgot him. He would make my 2nd xi in place of harris

 

[TheJediBrah]

On a wind up surely

not every cricket match is played with a duke in dark cloudy weather in England

It's offensive to Harris to compare him with Anderson

Philander is even worse. At least Jimmy didn't pretend he was hurt when confronted with anything other than a green top. He just played and was ****

 

[vcs]

not every cricket match is played with a duke in dark cloudy weather in england

it's offensive to harris to compare him with anderson

philander is even worse. At least jimmy didn't pretend he was hurt when confronted with anything other than a green top. He just played and was ****

lmao

 

[Tom Flint]

Your talking rubbish and you know it. The only criticism of Anderson is his early career performances which let him down, this a time when he was a completely different type of bowler. From 2010 to now he has been brilliant, I don't know what his average has been it that time but I'm sure it will be a lot lower than it is if you included before 2010.
Longevity, fitness, stamina, workrate, attitude are all qualities that a great fast bowler needs to have such a great career like anderson, mcgrath steyn ect but without those you may have very talented bowlers who have a good 18 months or so but not quite the career they could have.