Points Docked for Slow Over Rate

[brandon]

For England, but not India…

Tell me the BCCI run the ICC without actually telling me the BCCI run the ICC

Day 1 - India bowled 83 overs WITH the extra half hour (it was only 75 by 6pm). That’s 7 overs lost forever, 7 overs the paying public were robbed of.

I’m not defending England, they were horrific and deserve to be punished, although I do wonder if time for massages were taken into account? BUT, how can India not also be punished?

Overs lost across the game:

Day 1 - 7
Day 2 - 15
Day 3 - 10
Day 4 - 8

There were no weather interruptions.

 

[Johan]

40 overs of Cricket lost is insane bruh

 

[brandon]

40 overs of Cricket lost is insane bruh

Terrible isn’t it? Especially at the prices currently being charged to watch Test Cricket in England.

 

[govinda indian fan]

For England, but not India…

Tell me the BCCI run the ICC without actually telling me the BCCI run the ICC

Day 1 - India bowled 83 overs WITH the extra half hour (it was only 75 by 6pm). That’s 7 overs lost forever, 7 overs the paying public were robbed of.

I’m not defending England, they were horrific and deserve to be punished, although I do wonder if time for massages were taken into account? BUT, how can India not also be punished?

Overs lost across the game:

Day 1 - 7
Day 2 - 15
Day 3 - 10
Day 4 - 8

There were no weather interruptions.

Points would have been docked for india if india won the match. According to icc rules only winner of test match gets points docked not lossing team. What about baised umpiring? If bcci was so powerful why do umpires always give wrong decisions to indians? Paul raiffel played as 12th man for england and won you test match. What about that? Maybe English fans should stop whinging even after winning

 

[brandon]

Points would have been docked for india if india won the match. According to icc rules only winner of test match gets points docked not lossing team. What about baised umpiring? If bcci was so powerful why do umpires always give wrong decisions to indians? Paul raiffel played as 12th man for england and won you test match. What about that? Maybe English fans should stop whinging even after winning

Only the winner being docked points is ridiculous and nonsensical.

As for the biased umpiring, I’m not going down that rabbit hole, you’re talking utter bollocks, but look objectively at the performance of the Bangladeshi umpire in the second Test.

Moreover, why have you reached for the whataboutery? Can you not discuss the Indian over rates? I’m happy to admit that England were a disgrace, do you think India’s over rates were acceptable?

English fans are whinging after winning because over rates in Test cricket are a huge problem in the SENA countries. When you consider the state of Test cricket across the world, people who love Test cricket want to speak out for it and see fans currently being short changed. It’s hardly encouraging the masses to return to Test cricket is it? Winning isn’t everything, especially when the game is dying.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Only the winner being docked points is ridiculous and nonsensical.

As for the biased umpiring, I’m not going down that rabbit hole, you’re talking utter bollocks, but look objectively at the performance of the Bangladeshi umpire in the second Test.

Moreover, why have you reached for the whataboutery? Can you not discuss the Indian over rates? I’m happy to admit that England were a disgrace, do you think India’s over rates were acceptable?

I agree india were disgrace with overate but rules are made by icc not bcci. Iam not bcci's lawyer but you cant blame us for rules set by icc

 

[brandon]

I agree india were disgrace with overate but rules are made by icc not bcci.

Many people believe they’re one and the same. This sort of decision does little to dissuade that thinking.

 

[Shady Slim]

Many people believe they’re one and the same. This sort of decision does little to dissuade that thinking.

many people used to believe the sun rotated around the earth. the fact that the sun disappears at night time does little to dissuade that thinking.

 

[Molehill]

Points would have been docked for india if india won the match. According to icc rules only winner of test match gets points docked not lossing team. What about baised umpiring? If bcci was so powerful why do umpires always give wrong decisions to indians? Paul raiffel played as 12th man for england and won you test match. What about that? Maybe English fans should stop whinging even after winning

Unless they've changed the ruling (which I've not seen) that's not true. England were docked points in the 2023 Ashes twice when they lost matches.

 

[Thala_0710]

Unless they've changed the ruling (which I've not seen) that's not true. England were docked points in the 2023 Ashes twice when they lost matches.

Yeah there's no such updated rule

 

[CartyDurham]

No surprise

 

[Molehill]

The BBC have roughly calculated that England bowled at a rate of half an over slower than India.

England fined and docked points for slow over-rates in win against India - BBC Sport

I think the point about transparency is key, no one has a clue how they're coming up with these numbers. That England have been docked points is not a surprise (amazed they got away with it in the first 2 Tests), but why India haven't is really the bigger question.

 

[cnerd123]

The BBC have roughly calculated that England bowled at a rate of half an over slower than India.

England fined and docked points for slow over-rates in win against India - BBC Sport

I think the point about transparency is key, no one has a clue how they're coming up with these numbers. That England have been docked by points is not a surprise (amazed they got away with it in the first 2 Tests), but why India haven't is really the bigger question.

No one cared about transparency when it was just match fees being docked. Now that there are WTC points at stake, they should be revealing the working to the public.

 

[govinda indian fan]

The BBC have roughly calculated that England bowled at a rate of half an over slower than India.

England fined and docked points for slow over-rates in win against India - BBC Sport

I think the point about transparency is key, no one has a clue how they're coming up with these numbers. That England have been docked points is not a surprise (amazed they got away with it in the first 2 Tests), but why India haven't is really the bigger question.

if thats the rule then india too needs to be docked points

 

[Uppercut]

The governance of over rates is just a complete farce. The most egregious time wasting of the game was Crawley on day 3, but that’s not something England get punished for, actually it counts against India.

OTOH they do get punished for bowling Joffrey Archer instead of Joe Root, apparently this makes the game worse for spectators. We’ve paid hard earned cash to see part time spinners trundle through overs as quickly as possible and if you’re going to make us watch 93mph fast bowlers instead then you might as well just punch us in the face.

 

[CartyDurham]

The governance of over rates is just a complete farce. The most egregious time wasting of the game was Crawley on day 3, but that’s not something England get punished for, actually it counts against India.

OTOH they do get punished for bowling Joffrey Archer instead of Joe Root, apparently this makes the game worse for spectators. We’ve paid hard earned cash to see part time spinners trundle through overs as quickly as possible and if you’re going to make us watch 93mph fast bowlers instead then you might as well just punch us in the face.

Hold on here

Gill lay down for a massage when England were 9 down.

he could easily have walked off. That break took 9 minutes out of the game

Crawley prevented one over from being bowled

 

[Daemon]

England only being 2 overs short means it was a marginal decision. India seemed really slow too but it’s not hard to believe they were a few minutes faster after accounting for all the ball changes, injury timeouts, etc

 

[cnerd123]

The governance of over rates is just a complete farce. The most egregious time wasting of the game was Crawley on day 3, but that’s not something England get punished for, actually it counts against India.

OTOH they do get punished for bowling Joffrey Archer instead of Joe Root, apparently this makes the game worse for spectators. We’ve paid hard earned cash to see part time spinners trundle through overs as quickly as possible and if you’re going to make us watch 93mph fast bowlers instead then you might as well just punch us in the face.

The fielding side get allowances for the batting side holding up the game. India will not have been punished for Crawley's attempts, and vice versa. There are also allowances given for injuries, equipment changes, ball changes, etc. Most of the interruptions in this game will have no bearing on the final calculations.

15 overs in an hour should be doable even it's only seamers bowling. I can't recall any cricket board saying that they feel the required overrate is unmanageable. Then again, it's only recently that is has started to affect a teams ability to qualify for a Final. So we might see countries speak up now

 

[brandon]

many people used to believe the sun rotated around the earth. the fact that the sun disappears at night time does little to dissuade that thinking.

Thanks for that, do you also believe the earth is flat?

 

[brandon]

The BBC have roughly calculated that England bowled at a rate of half an over slower than India.

England fined and docked points for slow over-rates in win against India - BBC Sport

I think the point about transparency is key, no one has a clue how they're coming up with these numbers. That England have been docked points is not a surprise (amazed they got away with it in the first 2 Tests), but why India haven't is really the bigger question.

Absolutely.

I reiterate, both teams were a disgrace, in county cricket teams are docked points if their over rate is -2 for the entire game and of course all overs have to be bowled no matter how long it takes. The two teams in question here were closer to -10.