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Yet 60 years ago they were the same people.
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Pakistan's bowling and India's batting?
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SaeedAnwar
U19 Debutant
no need for insults here ok, I am pakistani and i can say the same thing that south indians are actually more intelligent then north indians or pakistanis on average.
Sanz
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Nailed it. Very well said bhai jaan.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Another well said moment bhai jaan. Keep nailing it down.
SaeedAnwar
U19 Debutant
Yet 60 years ago they were the same people.
same people is a very generic term for a multi ethnic society like the subcontinent, they are not the same people. There is a huge difference between north, south, east,west
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
Darn it...... Almost half of the world population lives in Asia........and Half of Asia lives in the subcontinent....ofcourse there is a multi ethnic society.
Shri
Mr. Glass
We did not and do not have fast bowlers with personalities that make them stand out from the crowd imo. If we had produced a fast bowler who was aggressive in the field and also successful, people would want to emulate tehm.
If Sreesanth gets 400 test wickets in the future, kids would want to emulate him. Yes, I went there.
If Sreesanth gets 400 test wickets in the future, kids would want to emulate him. Yes, I went there.
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
Cricket is a resilient sport and Pakistan is a resilient country. That makes Pakistan cricket doubly resilient – something that events continue to confirm. Over the last few years Pakistan cricket has suffered one body blow after another. After each trauma, we found it hard to imagine that things could get worse. Repeatedly, we were proven wrong.
And yet, through it all, Pakistan cricket kept getting back on its feet. Circumstances conspired to punch it in the face and bloody its nose. Pakistan cricket has responded with tenacious rearguards and aggressive onslaughts.
Observers and analysts from other countries find this utterly befuddling. Few cricket nations would have had the gumption to lift the World Twenty20 title despite an economy on the brink, a civil war searing the heartland, a national cricket infrastructure overcome with malaise and chaos, and the horror of terrorists trying to gun down cricketers outside Gaddafi Stadium.
But when the time came, the spirit of Pakistani cricket broke through. At Lord’s in the final of the World Twenty20 championship last June, Shahid Afridi scored the winning runs and immediately struck that statuesque pose with arms outstretched in triumph. ‘Isolation?’ he seemed to be saying. ‘What isolation?’
By the time you read this, Pakistan may or may not have qualified for the finals of Champions Trophy 2009. But already they have reaffirmed their resilient fibre, notching a group-match victory against India that will be remembered through the ages. There was definitely something in the air as we counted down the hours and minutes to the toss in that match. Even trenchant sceptics were smiling. I heard from a fellow cricket nut in Dubai, a hardened veteran who never allows himself to expect anything from our team other than total disaster. ‘I have a strange feeling,’ he said via text message. ‘I think we will win today.’
In cricketing terms, certainly, Pakistan were underdogs. India came in atop the ODI rankings, brimming with confidence and ability. Pakistan, with both the country and its cricket in chaos, came in from the cold. Nor could the political climate, with India’s belligerent stance towards Islamabad, have been worse.
Yet in a perverse way, this may have worked in Pakistan’s favour. At the start of the match, the Pakistani public could not have imagined victory, but the Indian team was answerable to a public that could not imagine defeat.
It was the kind of match that you remember not for actions but for reactions. The sagging body language of the Indian fielders as the Shoaib Malik-Mohammad Yousuf partnership wore them down. The unadorned, matter-of-fact look on Malik’s face when he got to his hundred, and the incandescent expression on Yousuf’s face when he fell 13 runs short of his.
At the start of India’s innings, Mohammad Aamer angled it across Sachin Tendulkar to have him caught behind, but you remember neither the edge, nor the diving catch by Kamran Akmal, brilliant as it was. What you remember is the way Tendulkar’s shoulders squared up and his head turned around in panic. This spectacular young find was not even born when Tendulkar made his international debut. Growing up in Gujjar Khan, he awoke to a world in which Sachin was undisputed king. You couldn’t fault Aamer for feeling a little intimidated at the thought of bowling to this imperious batsman who has made 42 Test and 44 ODI centuries. But intimidation was farthest from his mind. In the build-up to this contest, he announced to a hungry press that it is his dream to take Sachin Tendulkar’s wicket. May all his dreams come true just like this one.
For several years through this decade, Pakistan cricket has suffered a talent drought. Yet now that adversity has hit us in a big way, there is suddenly a burst of new players like Umar Akmal, Saeed Ajmal, and this dazzling left-arm seamer. For many years, the team wandered adrift in a leadership vacuum. Now that times are tough, a quietly confident and competent leader like Younis Khan has risen from the debris. If you want a definition of resilience, look no farther than this. If you want to know what hope and promise look like, watch these players in their Pakistan colours.
After the Lahore terror attacks of March 2009, many observers – both within Pakistan and overseas – had virtually written Pakistan cricket’s obituary. We had misunderstood the vigour and determination of our cricket ethos. Now Pakistan is the numero uno team in Twenty20 cricket, and has also excelled on the world stage in ODIs. A full schedule of Test cricket – in Australia later this year and all of next summer in England, including two Tests against Australia that the English are eager to host for us – lies immediately ahead.
For now, there may be no international cricket at home. That will not stop our 12-year-olds from being inspired by the Umar Akmals and Mohammad Aamers of Pakistan the same way that Akmal and Amer were inspired by those before them.
Source: Dawn.
the key word is "inspiration"...............that should be the answer to this thread.
And yet, through it all, Pakistan cricket kept getting back on its feet. Circumstances conspired to punch it in the face and bloody its nose. Pakistan cricket has responded with tenacious rearguards and aggressive onslaughts.
Observers and analysts from other countries find this utterly befuddling. Few cricket nations would have had the gumption to lift the World Twenty20 title despite an economy on the brink, a civil war searing the heartland, a national cricket infrastructure overcome with malaise and chaos, and the horror of terrorists trying to gun down cricketers outside Gaddafi Stadium.
But when the time came, the spirit of Pakistani cricket broke through. At Lord’s in the final of the World Twenty20 championship last June, Shahid Afridi scored the winning runs and immediately struck that statuesque pose with arms outstretched in triumph. ‘Isolation?’ he seemed to be saying. ‘What isolation?’
By the time you read this, Pakistan may or may not have qualified for the finals of Champions Trophy 2009. But already they have reaffirmed their resilient fibre, notching a group-match victory against India that will be remembered through the ages. There was definitely something in the air as we counted down the hours and minutes to the toss in that match. Even trenchant sceptics were smiling. I heard from a fellow cricket nut in Dubai, a hardened veteran who never allows himself to expect anything from our team other than total disaster. ‘I have a strange feeling,’ he said via text message. ‘I think we will win today.’
In cricketing terms, certainly, Pakistan were underdogs. India came in atop the ODI rankings, brimming with confidence and ability. Pakistan, with both the country and its cricket in chaos, came in from the cold. Nor could the political climate, with India’s belligerent stance towards Islamabad, have been worse.
Yet in a perverse way, this may have worked in Pakistan’s favour. At the start of the match, the Pakistani public could not have imagined victory, but the Indian team was answerable to a public that could not imagine defeat.
It was the kind of match that you remember not for actions but for reactions. The sagging body language of the Indian fielders as the Shoaib Malik-Mohammad Yousuf partnership wore them down. The unadorned, matter-of-fact look on Malik’s face when he got to his hundred, and the incandescent expression on Yousuf’s face when he fell 13 runs short of his.
At the start of India’s innings, Mohammad Aamer angled it across Sachin Tendulkar to have him caught behind, but you remember neither the edge, nor the diving catch by Kamran Akmal, brilliant as it was. What you remember is the way Tendulkar’s shoulders squared up and his head turned around in panic. This spectacular young find was not even born when Tendulkar made his international debut. Growing up in Gujjar Khan, he awoke to a world in which Sachin was undisputed king. You couldn’t fault Aamer for feeling a little intimidated at the thought of bowling to this imperious batsman who has made 42 Test and 44 ODI centuries. But intimidation was farthest from his mind. In the build-up to this contest, he announced to a hungry press that it is his dream to take Sachin Tendulkar’s wicket. May all his dreams come true just like this one.
For several years through this decade, Pakistan cricket has suffered a talent drought. Yet now that adversity has hit us in a big way, there is suddenly a burst of new players like Umar Akmal, Saeed Ajmal, and this dazzling left-arm seamer. For many years, the team wandered adrift in a leadership vacuum. Now that times are tough, a quietly confident and competent leader like Younis Khan has risen from the debris. If you want a definition of resilience, look no farther than this. If you want to know what hope and promise look like, watch these players in their Pakistan colours.
After the Lahore terror attacks of March 2009, many observers – both within Pakistan and overseas – had virtually written Pakistan cricket’s obituary. We had misunderstood the vigour and determination of our cricket ethos. Now Pakistan is the numero uno team in Twenty20 cricket, and has also excelled on the world stage in ODIs. A full schedule of Test cricket – in Australia later this year and all of next summer in England, including two Tests against Australia that the English are eager to host for us – lies immediately ahead.
For now, there may be no international cricket at home. That will not stop our 12-year-olds from being inspired by the Umar Akmals and Mohammad Aamers of Pakistan the same way that Akmal and Amer were inspired by those before them.
Source: Dawn.
the key word is "inspiration"...............that should be the answer to this thread.
subshakerz
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Well, the same applies to Pakistan, its very generic to say they are an 'aggressive people' when the society is so multiethnic.
SaeedAnwar
U19 Debutant
^ exactly i never agreed with him
Migara
International Coach
Wasn't Pakistan a part of India?
And if there were no partition.So much for the genetics
Not all hindus are vegetarians,I guess vegetarian hindus are a minority
SaeedAnwar
U19 Debutant
it was only part of india under the british, if you look at history the region of Pakistan has been conqured and mixed by Greeks, persians, arabs, afghans, central asian(turks) mongols etc... none of these empires reached present day India, they all stopped in present day pakistan, so its not fair to say that pakistanis and indians are same because they are clearly not. Pakistanis are very mixed
Shri
Mr. Glass
Not really. At some time periods even before that too. When the kings ruled.
Migara
International Coach
I am struggling to believe that as Maurya and Gupta empires did reach out to even Afganisthan, and to the borders of Persia. Urdu and Hindi sounds very alike isn't it? And Gazzel music is shared by both countries, isn't it?
bagapath
International Captain
if only this were not a cricket forum I could spend hours educating you on sub-continental history............... sigh
SaeedAnwar
U19 Debutant
yes only two empires, what about the ones i mentioned, all i am saying is pakistan is a much more mixed with other people compared to most of india. Thats why you see so many different types of people from Pakistan, We have guys like Imran Khan, Afridi etc.. who dont look indic and are clearly influenced from outside, then we have guys like Shoaib Akhtar who looks very indic.
also Urdu is actually from North India, Urdu was only adopted by Pakistan after 1947. The main 4 people pakistan, Punjabies, Sindhis, Pashtuns and Baloch dont speak urdu
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SaeedAnwar
U19 Debutant
i dont need a lesson, i am well aware of my pakistani history
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