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***Official*** Sri Lanka in England

JASON

Cricketer Of The Year
JBH001 said:
Oh please. Not another grovelling miserable excuse for a post.

Why keep forever apologising for the SL team?Or did Arjuna's revolution pass you by?
Do you ever stop bagging your team, or has kicking yourself so that no one else will kick you become too much of a habit for you to shake?

Sri Lanka now are strong candidates for the world cup - whether they realise that potential or not is something we shall all have to wait and see. But despite that and whatever happens 7 months from now, enjoy and savour this victory and this overseas tour - Sri Lanka's best ever in its 23 year history. A series concluded with savagery and style.
Whose aplogising ? The success has got you carried away hasn't it ?

Keep living in the past if you want to talk about Arjuna's revolution !!:dry: :laugh:

Any Team bar Bangladesh would have done well against this excuse for a patched up England Team . The likes of Bresnan , Kabir Ali, Sajid Mohmood , Liam Plunkett serving up lollipos ..... would make any of the batsmen from Australia down to South Africa and NZ's mouths water ....
(that includes India and Pakistan as well)

This was hardly an International Class ODI bowling attack. So stay a bit calm and level headed ok.

I know your types who gloat about over cheap victories because your Cronies want you to .... and praise the powers that be ....so that the dumbest politicians in the World can claim kudos for these sort of achievements , for which they played no part in .:dry:

SL can consider to be a genuine contender when they can beat the likes of Australia , India or even Pakistan on a regular basis .. or the likes of SA in SA or NZ in NZ.

You must have very short memory ...if you forgot only just before this series SL suffered an ODI loss served up by Pakistan and at home too for that matter of not too dissimilar magnitude to the one served by SL on England , OK.

So have a little bit of sense to appreciate these before coming out here to talk high and mighty over a win which would in years to come be regarded very cheaply !! For that matter it wasn't long ago that SL lost to India 6- 1 either . So get some sense before trying to Gloat over pyrrhic victories against weak bowling attacks.
 
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Lostman

State Captain
Nnanden said:
Those 'Marks out of 10' things continue to be pretty stupid. Malinga only an 8, when he was the only bowler really to scare and dominate the opposition, and the only fellow with very attractive figures. And although Harmison was pretty crap, I thought they were a bit harsh on him. But Malinga deserves a bigger rap IMO.
kabir ali got a 0, thats the 1st time ive seen that:laugh:
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Lostman said:
kabir ali got a 0, thats the 1st time ive seen that:laugh:
You could argue we'd have been better with 10 men than with him in the side - that means there's a case for him getting a minus figure. :laugh:
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Barney Rubble said:
You could argue we'd have been better with 10 men than with him in the side - that means there's a case for him getting a minus figure. :laugh:
You'd have to say that Mahmood was lucky to get a"2" and the other quicks were probably over-marked as well.

I suppose we've learnt a thing or two, anyway. The guys who had already written off Kabir before this series were dead right, and now we know for certain that Saj shouldn't be even mentioned in dispatches when the WC squad is discussed. If that means that the obnoxious Gough comes back, then so be it. H's served his time and there's no pretending he isn't still worth a place in the squad at the very least.

I thought Dunc's blaming it all on injuries was pretty lame. The absence of Flintoff & Anderson doesn't excuse the selction of the no-hopers we saw during this series when better bowlers were available. You wonder what Hoggard made of it all. We all know his odi track record hasn't been great, but surely it's stretching things to say that the guys picked for this series were a better bet.

Looking beyond the carnage of the bowlers, I share the view that Cook looked promising at the top of the order and Strauss looked more confident at 4 again in this form of the game. Dalrymple looks a reasonable find too, although I would imagine he'll bat at 7 when others return. I'm not sure what to make of Bell. He made useful runs - certainly more so than others who have played recently - but rather slowly, and Cook may take his place when our first choice batters are all fit.

FWIW my first choice XI for the Pakistan odi's would be Tresco, Cook, KP, Strauss, Fred, Collingwood, Dalrymple, Read, Gough, Harmison & Anderson. In that batting order.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
To be fair David, I bet Hoggard was perfectly happy to spend some time at home with his family and dogs and not have to think about Cricket.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
marc71178 said:
To be fair David, I bet Hoggard was perfectly happy to spend some time at home with his family and dogs and not have to think about Cricket.
I'm sure he was delighted not to be part of this particular debacle. However, I think he's been a bit unlucky in that in recent years he's only had occasional games, usually when we're being thrashed overseas, and there's always a chance you will go for a few in those circumstances. IIRC he was a quite effective oneday bowler for a couple of years until Jayasuria got hold of him in one of the 2002 games and then he had that nightmare tour of Aus. But he's a better bowler nowadays, and if he played regularly he'd probably do OK. At the risk of repeatingt the blindingly obvious, test match specialist or whatever, there's no way he'd have been worse than KA, SM, LP or TB.

btw when I saw how quickly you'd replied, I assumed you were leaping to the defence of your man Bell. Nice restraint mate. :)
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Well as far as I can see, when everyone is fit, it's one of Bell or Cook is in pole position to partner Trescothick, although I do wonder if KP at 3 is the best place for him, but if he doesn't go there, who does?!
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
marc71178 said:
Well as far as I can see, when everyone is fit, it's one of Bell or Cook is in pole position to partner Trescothick, although I do wonder if KP at 3 is the best place for him, but if he doesn't go there, who does?!
The thought of KP him going in at 3 does raise fears that his wicket will be wasted against the new ball, but, without checking, he's gone in reasonably early on plenty of occasions anyway. On the plus side, it should give him plenty of time to build a really big one, which we'll need if we're going to do anything in the WC. If the wickets are going to be as batter-friendly in the Caribbean as they looked when we played odi's over there a couple of years ago, we don't want KP coming in after 15-20 overs, I think.
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
Nnanden said:
Those 'Marks out of 10' things continue to be pretty stupid. Malinga only an 8, when he was the only bowler really to scare and dominate the opposition, and the only fellow with very attractive figures. And although Harmison was pretty crap, I thought they were a bit harsh on him. But Malinga deserves a bigger rap IMO.
Kabir was rated far too highly to boot.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Nnanden said:
Those 'Marks out of 10' things continue to be pretty stupid. Malinga only an 8, when he was the only bowler really to scare and dominate the opposition, and the only fellow with very attractive figures. And although Harmison was pretty crap, I thought they were a bit harsh on him. But Malinga deserves a bigger rap IMO.
as soon as i saw that collingwood got a 6 while Strauss got a 5 i didnt bother reading the rest of it.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
wpdavid said:
The thought of KP him going in at 3 does raise fears that his wicket will be wasted against the new ball, but, without checking, he's gone in reasonably early on plenty of occasions anyway. On the plus side, it should give him plenty of time to build a really big one, which we'll need if we're going to do anything in the WC.
Personally I'd rather have him come in after 20-25 overs and bat to the end then come in earlier and get out before the last 10 overs.

I don't think he'd bat through from say 10-50 to be honest.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Neil Pickup said:
Kabir was rated far too highly to boot.
I wrote something to the effect that I did not think much of him sometime back and got jumped upon:)
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
SJS said:
I wrote something to the effect that I did not think much of him sometime back and got jumped upon:)
Can't imagine who by. Chsir Hntion is the only guy who thinks Kabir's worth owt more than being an object of ridicule - personally, he's one of my favourite objects of abuse and has been for some time now...
 

JBH001

International Regular
JASON said:
Whose aplogising ? The success has got you carried away hasn't it ?

Keep living in the past if you want to talk about Arjuna's revolution !!:dry: :laugh:
Success? Carry me away? If you read my comments more clearly you would see that I believe failing in the next few months is a distinct possibility. But that precisely because the last few months have been so bad for SL cricket, SL fans should take the opportunity to celebrate when they can. Especially when such tours are few and far between.

And my comment about Arjuna was regarding your habit of constantly and consistenly apologising for your team to all and sundry. At least Arjuna stood up for his team and country whilst all you seem to do is lie down all the time.

Any Team bar Bangladesh would have done well against this excuse for a patched up England Team . The likes of Bresnan , Kabir Ali, Sajid Mohmood , Liam Plunkett serving up lollipos ..... would make any of the batsmen from Australia down to South Africa and NZ's mouths water ....
(that includes India and Pakistan as well)

This was hardly an International Class ODI bowling attack. So stay a bit calm and level headed ok.
It seems to have missed your attention but I was speaking of the tour as a whole.
Including Test Series and ODI. Speaking of Sajid Mahmood and Plunkett didnt they play in the tests? Werent they being upheld as the next wave of England bowlers? Funny I must have missed that - or maybe they served up lollipops because they were targeted and systematically destroyed in a way I have rarely seen from a SL team.

I know your types who gloat about over cheap victories because your Cronies want you to .... and praise the powers that be ....so that the dumbest politicians in the World can claim kudos for these sort of achievements , for which they played no part in .:dry:
You know my type?
LOL!
Talk about presumption on a grand scale!
Where do get off, mate?

And who are these cronies? Thats the first I ever heard of them - if you mean fellow Sri Lankans, you are sadly mistaken. Having been a NZ for a considerable time I really have no Sri Lankan friends (moreover I have little in common with most Sri Lankans tbh) and furthermore would have trouble finding them in Japan. Unless you imply that I have cricket loving cronies in Japan? I would take you a bit more seriously but your teddy bear avatar gives you away. And that makes it a little difficult.


SL can consider to be a genuine contender when they can beat the likes of Australia , India or even Pakistan on a regular basis .. or the likes of SA in SA or NZ in NZ.

You must have very short memory ...if you forgot only just before this series SL suffered an ODI loss served up by Pakistan and at home too for that matter of not too dissimilar magnitude to the one served by SL on England , OK.

So have a little bit of sense to appreciate these before coming out here to talk high and mighty over a win which would in years to come be regarded very cheaply !! For that matter it wasn't long ago that SL lost to India 6- 1 either . So get some sense before trying to Gloat over pyrrhic victories against weak bowling attacks.
Gloat? Where have I gloated? You must be thinking of some other fella.
I have enjoyed this win as I said, because SL played as a unified team throughout the whole series and that is something I have not seen for a long time. That is what I enjoyed seeing about this team - that is why I think SL has a good chance at the WC but that remains to be seen, as I said in my previous post.

But you seem to be the kind of fan a country can do without.
Doom and gloom and damning with faint praise at the start of this thread, and still doing the same more than 150 pages later.
Its a wonder you start the day without slitting your own wrists.
 

Legglancer

State Regular
Sanath, Upul assault wasn't in our game plan - Mahela


CRICKET: Sri Lanka captain Mahela Jayawardene said the manner in which Sanath Jayasuriya and Upul Tharanga bashed the England bowling in their run chase at Leeds on Saturday, was not in the team's game plan at all.

The pair added a world record 286 for the first wicket to enable Sri Lanka coast home comfortably by eight wickets making England's total of 321 look rather small.

Jayasuriya went onto make 152 off 99 balls and Tharanga 109 off 102 balls. "We knew it was going to be a tough ask chasing 321, but we knew that the wicket was really good.

The way we had been batting the whole series we wanted to keep wickets in hand during the chase. But the way Sanath and Upul went about the run chase, that wasn't in our game plan at all," said Jayawardene.

"The way Sanath batted today, he was brilliant. He gave us a glimpse of the old Sanath. This is what he is good at and it was amazing. It's very difficult to stop him when he is in that mood. Any decent attack would have got it from him. I have seen him doing that against the Australian attack, which had McGrath, Lee and Gillespie," continued Jayawardene.

"Upul helped him out. That's what we need when someone is batting like that. He has been very consistent with the bat throughout the series and that is something we needed badly. Both openers complemented each other very well and the way they batted, the singles they took and the understanding they had, it's a good learning experience for Upul to bat with Sanath because he'll learn a lot. What we have done is to give them the license and to express them," he said.

Jayawardene said that it would have been disappointing had they lost the final game. "We've done all the hard work possible on this tour and it was brilliant to finish of on a winning note. We have beaten South Africa 5-0 before, but that was at home. To beat England in their own backyard was something special and one of the best achievements by the team," said Jayawardene.

"When you are playing good cricket you've got to make sure that you try and be consistent and take the winning form to the next series and the next. Most teams tend to get accustomed to bad habits when they win one series and later those bad habits tend to catch up with you."

"When you have 300 runs on the board we knew the opposition was coming at you. It was very important to take early wickets and slow things down. England didn't do that and they paid a heavy penalty. England was pretty down and out. Obviously when you consider 300 runs in 37 overs, it's obvious," continued Jayawardene.

England opener Marcus Trescochick whose knock of 122 gave his team an outside chance of avoiding a whitewash of the series, said: "If you get 300 on any wicket you fancy your chances, but we just didn't get the ball in the right areas. Coming up against someone like Sanath Jayasuriya in that sort of form is pretty difficult. You get the odd person who gets 70 or 80 but he takes the game away from you before you get a chance."

Sri Lanka fly out to Holland Sunday to play two official one-day internationals before returning home for the series against South Africa.
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Does anyone else find it ironic that in the "Similar Threads" box below there is the "Offical Trial By Poll. Battle for Inadequacy". Is that what Saj and Kabir took part in?
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Neil Pickup said:
Can't imagine who by. Chsir Hntion is the only guy who thinks Kabir's worth owt more than being an object of ridicule - personally, he's one of my favourite objects of abuse and has been for some time now...
No. I wasnt refering to you Neil :)

From the first time I saw him bowl (which was pretty recently of course) I was amazed at how this guy could make an England side. I remember telling a friend of mine how poorly this reflects on Englands cricketing future.

I felt worse with Kabir than I had felt when Ronnie 'MP' Irani was played and feted (by some) ! And thats saying something for I consider Mr Irani as worse than worthless as an international cricketer.
 

JASON

Cricketer Of The Year
JBH001 said:
And my comment about Arjuna was regarding your habit of constantly and consistenly apologising for your team to all and sundry. At least Arjuna stood up for his team and country whilst all you seem to do is lie down all the time.
Anyone who has been on these forums long enough will know whether I defend SL and the genuine performers or not . Having been contributing to these forums for a very long time and since you haven't been on these forums long, I suggest you will do better to find out more before jumping around stupidly and trying to show yourself to be a more patriotic member of the cheering squad , OK .

And with regard to Arjuna I know how smart a politician he is (and what he stands up for OK) , so lets not go there ok.:dry:

JBH001 said:
It seems to have missed your attention but I was speaking of the tour as a whole.
Including Test Series and ODI. Speaking of Sajid Mahmood and Plunkett didnt they play in the tests? Werent they being upheld as the next wave of England bowlers? Funny I must have missed that - or maybe they served up lollipops because they were targeted and systematically destroyed in a way I have rarely seen from a SL team.
Yeah so Test Cricket and ODI Cricket is all the same isn't it , as far as you are concerned ?
How can you be so dumb , to equate players performances in Tests to their ODI performances ? Mahmood and Plunkett and Harmison for that matter are a totally different kettle of fish when it comes to Tests . Just as say Maharoof is .(Who is an extremely ordinary player [and mostly poor player] in Tests ) . There are others in SL team who need no mention but who are strugglers in Tests but come ODI's and they look like Gold. So I suggest you get through a crash course on bowlers who serve well in each form of the game before expressing any further expertise on the matter .:laugh:

JBH001 said:
I would take you a bit more seriously but your teddy bear avatar gives you away. And that makes it a little difficult.
And I would take you a bit more seriously if you had an avatar instead of some rubbish alphabets and numbers for an avatar .:laugh:

JBH001 said:
That is what I enjoyed seeing about this team - that is why I think SL has a good chance at the WC but that remains to be seen, as I said in my previous post.
I find the above irreconcilable with your previous post and the comments at the start of this same post .

JBH001 said:
Sri Lanka now are strong candidates for the world cup - whether they realise that potential or not is something we shall all have to wait and see.
JBH001 said:
But that precisely because the last few months have been so bad for SL cricket, SL fans should take the opportunity to celebrate when they can. Especially when such tours are few and far between.
I wonder if you are a person who is not sure of the words they use or a person who has different opinions within one page and sometimes same post !!:wacko: :blink:

or perhaps ...multiple personality on the same forum.....:laugh:
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Jason - To be very frank, I agree with JBH001 on what he said about your views on Lankan performance and this is something we have argued during this series, needless to say that I have been here longer than you have. ;);)

Although I must say am not as optimistic as JBH001 on SriLanka's chances of winning the world cup neither do I want them to win it. This time World Cup is ours baby, This is our time, Stay away from it. :cool: :cool:
 

Legglancer

State Regular
England are overwhelmed
By Scyld Berry
(Filed: 02/07/2006)




England have been humiliated at one-day cricket frequently over the years, not least by Sri Lanka when they wiped England away in the 1996 World Cup quarter-final in Faisalabad.


Andrew Strauss: Powerless to act
It is difficult to believe, however, that any of England's defeats has been so comprehensive and humiliating as the one which left them with a 5-0 series whitewash. The only thing to be said in England's favour was that so few people watched it.

A year ago England were matching Australia, the World Cup holders, one-day game for one-day game. Since then Australia have maintained excellence and England have disintegrated, especially their bowling. England's batsmen were passable as they scored 321 runs on a Headingley pitch at its flattest and an outfield at its fastest. Their pace bowling was treated with the contempt it deserved.

The first difference between now and a year ago is that the personnel has changed just as much as it has in England's Test team. Of the team that shared the NatWest series against Australia, only two batsmen, Marcus Trescothick and Andrew Strauss, a wicketkeeper and a bowler remain. Four is not enough to constitute a nucleus.

The second major difference is that the England players now are without a shred of confidence. They take the field as if they expect the roof to fall in, and immediately it does, especially when batsmen of the quality of Sanath Jayasuriya, Upul Tharanga and Mahela Jayawardene are the demolition experts. Each of them hit two centuries in the series.

England are missing Troy Cooley, their former bowling coach, though not for his knowledge of bowling techniques and bio-mechanics. His successor, Kevin Shine, has proved himself a capable replacement in these respects. What they are missing is the confidence that Cooley imbued in England's bowlers, especially their pace attack. An affable soul, he was more an older brother than a coach, and created a warm, comforting tent within the camp for those who were about to go over the top.

These problems were then compounded when the one bowler who does remain from England's one-day team last year, Steve Harmison, expressed his wish to be a change bowler. He has sometimes been outstanding in the middle overs by containing batsmen with his height and bounce. But what the pace-bowling novices needed yesterday was a lead, and a couple of early wickets, not a finger in the dyke once it had burst all over Leeds.

A few comparative scores will illustrate how humiliatingly England were out-classed. After three overs England had scored one run, Sri Lanka 46. After ten overs the home side had made 39, the tourists 133. At this stage most normal captains, of normal pace attacks, would have taken a second power-play, but Strauss was simply powerless.

England recorded the highest total ever in a one-day international at Headingley; Sri Lanka surpassed it in only 37.3 overs. England's opening pair were in the fourth over before they scored a run off the bat. In the 27th over of their innings Jayasuriya and Tharanga set a new world record for the highest first- wicket partnership in one-day cricket, beating the 258 by India's Sourav Ganguly and Sachin Tendulkar against Kenya, a non-Test nation.

Trescothick's century, the first for England in the series, gave an admirable example of acceleration as, after a cautious start, he finished with 121 from 118 balls. Alastair Cook made a second 40, promising a long-term future as a one-day opener; the others worked the ball around. A fantastic right-handed catch by Kumar Sangakkara ended Ian Bell's innings, but it was the end-product of an excellent tactic that kept Bell from scoring with pushes square on the offside. When England bowled, tactics were not discernible.

Trescothick's hundred was trumped by Jayasuriya and Tharanga. Seldom can any bowling at any level have been so punished for so long. To them it was a 20-over game with a bit tacked on. Strauss had nowhere to turn after using five bowlers in the first eight overs. So dire was the pace bowling that James Dalrymple had to bowl the eighth.

Never can Headingley have seen such quick scoring in an international game, not when Charlie Macartney scored a century before lunch in 1926, not when Don Bradman annihilated England in 1948. Sri Lanka cruised at more and less than ten runs an over. After only 13 overs they had scored 155, at which point Dalrymple returned to bring a modicum of decorum, but he had made the most notable fielding lapse when he dropped Jayasuriya on 30 at point off Liam Plunkett.

Kabir Ali will be a resilient soul if he ever plays for England again. In addition to the general malaise he has the specific problem of a low trajectory, like Matthew Hoggard. The crowd did not jeer, though, as the old Headingley crowd would have done. The expectations are too low for that.

Jayasuriya contributed 152, off only 99 balls, to the record opening stand of 286. Tharanga finished with 109 off 102 balls. Harmison finished with the most expensive figures of any England one-day bowler, beating the 83 conceded by Derek Pringle in the 1983 World Cup by 14 runs.

It would be good if such a defeat was so traumatic that it brought about a change in the English style of one-day cricket. The 1996 World Cup defeat encouraged county cricket to experiment with pinch-hitters and slow bowlers. The 5-0 humilation will have served some purpose if English bowlers become more accurate, instead of pitching short and wide under pressure, and if English batting develops more wristwork.

Jayasuriya is strong, even burly, but both he and Tharanga generate power from their wrists whereas English batting, which also used to be a matter of wristwork, has become a mixture of upper-body strength, forearms and heavy bats. Yesterday was a slap on the wrist for England by the Sri Lankans using theirs.
 

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