*Official* Ross Taylor's last series memorial thread

[Chewie]

Cricket Wellington's post suggests Macewell was called up for a previous tour but turned it down due to the birth of his first child

 

[vandem]

Cricket Wellington's post suggests Macewell was called up for a previous tour but turned it down due to the birth of his first child

Yes, Michael Bracewell missed trip for Bangladesh T20Is and Pakistan ODIs (which were cancelled). This was the tour where the entire World T20I squad were "rested" or were playing IPL. Bracewell selection was mentioned in NZC release at the time, note as an " all-rounder", big hint that NZ selectors were interested in his bowling. Not mentioned was who replaced Bracewell, perhaps McConchie?

T20 World Cup squad revealed | McConchie and Sears called up for Bangladesh/Pakistan

Opportunities aplenty and a crack at a second world title within six months await the BLACKCAPS, who have unveiled four squads for the upcoming tours of Bangladesh, Pakistan and the ICC T20 World Cup in the UAE in October/November

www.nzc.nz

 

[Kippax]

Yes Macewell then outscored everyone by 100+ runs in the Super Smash (478 runs, Cleaver 369, Bowes 333). Just a pity that comp has become too unreliable in identification of future stars to get anyone really enthused about a 31yo like him being poised for debut.

Feels a bit like they've abruptly had a nasty dawning that Ravindra is a bit short in pure hand-eye for what they need, after happily going along with lots of syrupy content for years about having a new Williamson in the works.

 

[nzfan]

I think Ravindra will thank the management in the years to come. Would have been a disaster for a young player that isn't one to slog to slot into middle order and change his game drastically. IMO the best thing to happen to him for his own good and growth. Best to keep him off the t20s in particular. Glad they didn't pick him and he can play the rest of the PS season. Guys need consistent game time when they're young and t20s and one day if batting lower in the order doesn't allow that.

 

[andruid]

He's back to being eligible for New Zealand the day after this series finishes.

Associate Member to Full Member.

This needs to stop

 

[Prince EWS]

This needs to stop

No it does not.

Discouraging players from playing for their associate nations out of fear they'll be prevented from playing for the full member nations they're trying to qualify for (and in most cases even be prevented from playing in their domestic leagues as local players) will weaken rather than strengthen the depth of international cricket.

 

[andruid]

No it does not.

Discouraging players from playing for their associate nations out of fear they'll be prevented from playing for the full member nations they're trying to qualify for (and in most cases even be prevented from playing in their domestic leagues as local players) will weaken rather than strengthen the depth of international cricket.

Changing nationality is changing nationality, pure and simple. Allowing full members to cherry-pick the best Associate based talent based on the discrepancy in qualification times is a disincentive to the associate team.

 

[Prince EWS]

Changing nationality is changing nationality, pure and simple.

Yep. And if you can't do it in a reasonable timeframe, associate cricketers won't play for associate nations in the first place.

 

[cnerd123]

Changing nationality is changing nationality, pure and simple. Allowing full members to cherry-pick the best Associate based talent based on the discrepancy in qualification times is a disincentive to the associate team.

Full Members are always going to do this tho. Associate cricketers can make a living playing domestix in Full Member countries, if they need to serve 3 years there to qualify for them they gladly will.

A good example is Anshuman Rath. Even though he holds an Indian passport, he has to play domestic cricket in India in order to qualify as a local in the IPL auction. So he quit playing for HK to play Ranji. If this was the rule for Associate cricketers to play International cricket for full members then they'll all leave and pick up professional contracts overseas. Look at all the South Africans who have gone off to play in NZ/England rather than stay and play for SA.

At least the current rule means they can turn out for Associates until they get picked by the Full Members. If anything it incentives talented cricketers from FMs to explore their roots and turn out for Associate teams until they can get noticed by their FM country. For example - Tim David.

 

[Flem274*]

Logan van Beek is a good example. NZ born, NZ developed, is a good solid 130-140kph FC bowling allrounder who will always play for his province but will never push ahead of his current NZ competition for the Black Caps and isn't even top 10 in the country.

The Dutch get a very, very good bowling allrounder for associate standards (he might be one of the best associate bowlers, but I don't know enough to say) without having to put any work into him.

Likewise with Michael Rippon, except he might play ODI cricket for NZ.

 

[NZTailender]

Changing nationality is changing nationality, pure and simple. Allowing full members to cherry-pick the best Associate based talent based on the discrepancy in qualification times is a disincentive to the associate team.

England and West Indies aren't nations; cricket is sport - it's all made up.

Personally, I think it's odd that people would take issue with players changing countries in a short time frame, but not with overseas players, with little connection to an associate national side, ostensibly taking the place of a 'local' player simply because their one of their grandparents was originally from the Netherlands or other associate nation.

I have no problem with any of it if it ultimately strengthens the associate nation and inspires kids in that country to get into it.

 

[vandem]

I also like the 3 year stand down for FM -> AM. Means that a Hamish Marshall-type World Cup eligibility issue shouldn't happen again. (Previously was 4 years, and seasonality means World Cups on a "4 year" cycle can sometimes be 3.5 years apart)

 

[Immenso]

I wonder if this game today is a ListA?

Seem to have 12th men (according to the scorecard) rather than 12-a-side.

cricket archive have it as 'misc' rather than ListA.

Just curious if this is Pringle, Boyle and Tashkoff's senior debuts or not.

 

[ataraxia]

I wonder if this game today is a ListA?

Seem to have 12th mean (according to the scorecard) rather than 12-a-side.

cricket archive have it as 'misc' rather than ListA.

Just curious if this is Pringle, Boyle and Tashkoff's senior debuts or not.

I wondered that; it should be considered and played as one, but I assume it isn't given the lack of debutants being noted at the bottom of the scorecard.

 

[ataraxia]

127 not out for Macewell, 280-8 for NZ.

 

[nzfan]

Terrific knock from Bracewell... hope he gets a good run.

 

[Chewie]

And then he bowls himself ahead of some of the other spinners in the team as is par for the course

Got a wicket though so can't really complain

 

[Prince EWS]

And then he bowls himself ahead of some of the other spinners in the team as is par for the course

Got a wicket though so can't really complain

2fa now.

Macewellball.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

I wondered that; it should be considered and played as one, but I assume it isn't given the lack of debutants being noted at the bottom of the scorecard.

Cricinfo have it down as List A with Tashkoff, Boyle and Pringle all making their List A debuts.

 

[SteveNZ]

I might have missed something, but 3 warm up games for a 3 ODI, 1 T20I seems massive overkill?