***Official*** New Zealand Domestic Season 2016/17

[Kippax]

Yeah sauntered in at gentleman's hours, started recording midway through the eighth over.

 

[Prince EWS]

Talking about Obus, no? Admittedly about ~1300 of those runs came in the 3-day comp, but he still has 2000+ for the Knights in the Sunfoil @ 38ish. His bowling never really stepped up beyond the amateur stuff, but hey, it might be sufficiently #engineroom and #agribusiness to pull Wellington out of a hole from time to time.

Yeah the Plunket Shield would fall somewhere in between the two South African First Class comps in terms of quality. With the stricter targets and mini exodus I'd make the top comp almost down to Plunket Shield level now, really, although it was definitely stronger when Pienaar made those runs.

 

[Mike5181]

Man that Duffey dismissal looked really bad.

 

[SteveNZ]

Man that Duffey dismissal looked really bad.

So did the O'Donnell one, unless Neil has magically found an in-swinger.

 

[nzfan]

Talking about Obus, no? Admittedly about ~1300 of those runs came in the 3-day comp, but he still has 2000+ for the Knights in the Sunfoil @ 38ish. His bowling never really stepped up beyond the amateur stuff, but hey, it might be sufficiently #engineroom and #agribusiness to pull Wellington out of a hole from time to time.

Yup that's the bloke. Don't reckon he's a mainstream bowler. Heard he took up left arm orthodox after he broke down bowling left arm quick. Firebirds as I'm aware haven't signed up any overseas player this year so should be able to pull up any of these imports from the club if need be. I can certainly see firebirds doing well this season. There's decades of experience through the lineup. It has to count for something. Don't see the name Ben Sears in the club lineup, the lanky lad from the NZ 19s. Meanwhile I hear about the left handed U19 NZ Captain Ravindra all the time. Everyone I speak to in club cricket talks him up like the best thing from wellington for ages, batting and bowling wise. Keeping a close eye on Malcolm Nofal too this year, seems to be a serious batting talent from South Africa.

 

[nzfan]

Duffy's dismissal (ouch) plus the boundary videos are up, but not Ruds getting out 2nd ball of the match? Is Ken on the controls?

Lol... you don't rate Hamish? Looks pretty good to me to be honest. There are some serious contenders from most teams for the black caps opening slots this season.

 

[Gnske]

Must have some English heritage in him

 

[SteveNZ]

Lol... you don't rate Hamish? Looks pretty good to me to be honest. There are some serious contenders from most teams for the black caps opening slots this season.

Haha nah that post had nothing to do with rating him, just wondered why Pooch (or whatever they call it now) wasn't on. Although no, I'm not a massive fan of his - if ever a guy could be worked out at the highest level, it's him. Ignore the stumps, set a deep forward point/cover if you need to, plenty in the cordon, get it going across him. Bang. Won't score much at all. He's got a good eye etc but his technique outside off stump and inability to leave means he'll never be a Test player on anything other than the roadiest of roads.

The opening stocks are as threadbare as they've ever been, which is why Gup will probably get to 50 Tests and beyond.

 

[straw man]

Who would you pick to bat 7 for NZ in ODIs? Someone younger like Seifert?

While I'm usually primarily interested in the domestic FC matches rather than ODIs or T20s, NZ is as bad as I can remember at 6/7/8 in the limited overs sides, lacking explosive hitters or even effective nurdlers* to finish off innings. It's usually been a strength for us and it is currently for a lot of the competition. There's Neesham, Anderson and Munro though I'm having a hard time seeing any of them as the main man to finish off the innings. They'll still be around - Neesham at 5 or 6, I wouldn't mind Munro at 6 to see how that goes, or they could order Anderson to just go out at 7 and hit because I cannot stand seeing his massive forearms used to prod and poke at the ball.

But who domestically can do this job? Bruce? Seifert? Someone else?

* though I think Santner has shown promise there.

 

[straw man]

Anyone else unenthused by Kuggeleijn's continuing run of good performances? Even if he's cleared of the rape charges his actions still have a very unsavoury air, tstl, with no remorse and perhaps no punishment. For entirely selfish reasons I don't really want to have someone I couldn't bring myself to support in the NZ team.

 

[Zinzan]

Depends on whether you believe in the western criminal philosophy of being innocent until proved guilty. I personally don't want to be the judge and jury in his case. I wasn't there, so would prefer the normal legal process to transpire.

 

[straw man]

That is about answering the question of whether the state should legally punish that person and as such has a very high burden of proof (beyond reasonable doubt). It goes far beyond the question I'm talking about, of whether someone behaved reprehensibly and either have admitted as much, or have on balance of probabilities (lower standard of proof) likely done something bad and/or illegal.

 

[Bahnz]

Urgh, that video looks bad. Though I don't know what I'd less like to be, Duffy's jaw or Ferg's spine. Every time I watch him wrench his torso to 10 o'clock at the point of release, I can't help but think of that 12th man sketch where Bruce Reid snaps in half.

 

[Athlai]

Ryan Duffy not batting? Have read conflicting reports on him recovering and him being fine. Concussion?

 

[Bahnz]

I think even if Kugz doesn’t go down for rape, his selection for the Blackcaps is going to be a very contentious issue and one that’ll put NZC in a very difficult place. Because on the one hand, Zinzan is absolutely right, if he’s acquitted then there’s absolutely no reason why he shouldn’t be entitled to pursue his career to the fullest possible extent.

But on the other, you can already imagine the social outcry that will explode if an alleged two-time rapist is selected for the national side. In the midst of an already difficult season it’s the sort of negative publicity that I’m sure the NZC would rather do without.

 

[Immenso]

Anyone else unenthused by Kuggeleijn's continuing run of good performances? Even if he's cleared of the rape charges his actions still have a very unsavoury air, tstl, with no remorse and perhaps no punishment. For entirely selfish reasons I don't really want to have someone I couldn't bring myself to support in the NZ team.

Yes, all seems a bit pointless.

No way he will get promoted to the glare of international cricket.

 

[Mike5181]

Wait, two time?

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Anyone else unenthused by Kuggeleijn's continuing run of good performances? Even if he's cleared of the rape charges his actions still have a very unsavoury air, tstl, with no remorse and perhaps no punishment. For entirely selfish reasons I don't really want to have someone I couldn't bring myself to support in the NZ team.

Nah, I wouldn't be supporting the NZ side if he was ever a part of it.

I'm pretty capable of making up my mind about what happened with him from everything I've read, whether the jury ends up disagreeing with me or not.

 

[straw man]

I wouldn't want to see him play for NZ - of course there's such a thing as a second chance, but not before any punishment, serious contrition and the progression of at least a few years. Until then, I wouldn't mind if he'd stop taking wickets and making runs so this doesn't become some big awkward NZ selection discussion point.

 

[Athlai]

Yeah bring back Harry Boam I say.