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*Official* English Football Season 2022/23
- Thread starter Magrat Garlick
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It would be amazing. The idea of Brentford playing in Europe is ridiculous. Couldn't care less about the whole 'it will damage your league form' I want to go and watch us play in Tirana.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
You've done it once before this season. Why not?
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
Absolutely nothing to play for as well. Definitely a red hot chance
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
You could argue that the individuals who will probably come in have a lot to play for with potential appearances in two cup finals coming up.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
One way in which things are so different from my earliest experiences of the game are how far removed the periods of single team dominance by City, United and Liverpool are from those days. My first five seasons of following the game saw five different winners of the old First Division: Everton, Arsenal, Derby, Liverpool and Leeds. Avidly reading a bit about the years before then told me that Man Utd and Man City had also won it in the late 1960s, making it seven different winners in eight seasons. Maybe the more egalitarian nature of the league suggested that the standard of the winners wasn't all that great. Most of them didn't do so well in the European Cup, which didn't change until Liverpool raised the bar in the late 1970s. But following the game was a very different experience.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
I think you're right, but maybe they'll be competing for leading roles as replacements during those games should the need arise. And maybe I'm overthinking it. And yes, they will be great anyway. Reading your comments about Brentford and Europe reminds me of the season Palace missed out due to the ban on English clubs. That was when we finished 3rd in the First Division in 1991; I think that English clubs were readmitted in 1992, so that was as close as we've ever been. Actually, we'd have been in the Cup Winners Cup if we'd held onto our lead in the 1990 FA Cup Final, as Man Utd won it in 1991. But that was down to us rather than Liverpool fans' behaviour at Heysel.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Yeah I think English clubs were allowed back in 1990 except Liverpool who had an extra year
Furball
Evil Scotsman
English clubs were re-admitted in 1990/91 with the exception of Liverpool who had to serve an additional season and therefore Arsenal in 1991/92 were the first club back into the European Cup.
Palace would have missed out as England's co-efficient would have fallen off a cliff after being banned for 5 seasons, so there was only 1 UEFA Cup place on offer, which would have gone to the runners up. Crazy to think now that 3rd place in the league wouldn't have earned European football in the early 90s.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Ah, I didn't know that. Next you'll be telling me that winning the Zenith Data Cup in 1991 wouldn't have got us into Europe either.
So it was all the fault of Mark Hughes' equaliser in the 1990 FA Cup Final then.
andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
Escaping relegation with 34 points would feel a tad unfair, but Everton must go down
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
In fairness even if we’d had 2 UEFA Cup places, the second would have gone to the League Cup winners (Sheffield Wednesday)
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
ffs. Does anyone else want to take their turn at shattering my illusions?
Anyway, it's still down to Liverpool's supporters at Heysel, without whom we'd never have been banned in the first place, allowing Palace to take their rightful place in 1991/92 and presumably winning the UEFA cup at a canter.
This is very true.
In 18 seasons between 1959 and 1976, eleven different clubs won the English league title, with none successfully defending it. Fourteen different teams lifted the FA Cup, which many players and managers regarded as more important than either the league or the European Cup.
The "impossible" double of league and FA Cup had at that time been achieved only once during the twentieth century.
It was a more insular time, when glorious uncertainty was still very much part of the game.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Having previously suggested that our First Division winners in the late 1960s and early 1970s usually weren't quite good enough to win the European Cup, one indicator of the strength of our domestic game was how well we did in the Inter City Fairs Cup (which was the predecessor of the UEFA Cup) and the early years of the UEFA Cup itself, with five English clubs winning in six consecutive years from 1967/68 to 1972/73: Leeds (twice), Newcastle, Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool. Around that time, Man City and Chelsea also won the Cup Winners Cup.
A look at the list of winners, beaten finalists and beaten semi-finalists shows that by the late 1960s, the ICFC was a serious competition.
Perhaps less so in the 1950s when Birmingham reached two finals and were beaten semi-finalists by the eventual winners on another occasion.
A look at the list of winners, beaten finalists and beaten semi-finalists shows that by the late 1960s, the ICFC was a serious competition.
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