***Official*** Australia in England (The Ashes)

[chaminda_00]

no if you analyse it according to the turners hes played on its a different story. the only turner hes played on in india was at ahmedabad which was a slow turner, where he took 5 wickets at 24.80. even his overall average in india - 33 is far better than both warne and murali.
in SL not including the 3rd test from the 03/04 tour which was a dead flat wicket, his average stands at 26.

You do realise that you could use the same theory or analyse to bring Warne and Murali averages down aganist India. He still doesn't win enough games for England on turners to make it a effective exercise to produce turners. He may keep England in the games, but that about it.

 

[chaminda_00]

ive already answered that question

And I just showed that your answer didn't prove fully that he wins games on turners, he only won two games on turners, he just keeps England in the game.

 

[tooextracool]

You do realise that you could use the same theory or analyse to bring Warne and Murali averages down aganist India.

rubbish, almost every game that the 2 have played in india have been on turners or slow turners.

He still doesn't win enough games for England on turners to make it a effective exercise to produce turners. He may keep England in the games, but that about it.

is that why his average is so low then?
hes done it time and time again, yes he hasnt been able to win games in india or in SL that often, but thats because the rest of the english bowlers were absolute garbage, and the batting wasnt anything special either.

 

[tooextracool]

And I just showed that your answer didn't prove fully that he wins games on turners, he only won two games on turners, he just keeps England in the game.

7/132, 3rd test in pakistan, 6/70, third test in SL, 6/116 vs NZ trent bridge, 9/210 vs WI first test, 9/122 vs WI 2nd test.
thats 5 games that hes clearly won on turners. and the countless other occasions where hes 'nearly' won or saved england in the past on turners.

 

[chaminda_00]

is that why his average is so low then?

Yeah a low average of 32, oh wait i forget we have to take out any match that he doesn't take wickets in cus, they must not be turner if Giles doesn't take a wicket

 

[chaminda_00]

7/132, 3rd test in pakistan, 6/70, third test in SL, 6/116 vs NZ trent bridge, 9/210 vs WI first test, 9/122 vs WI 2nd test.
thats 5 games that hes clearly won on turners.

5 games is not much, especially for someone who is rated as a 'very good' bowler on turners.

 

[tooextracool]

Yeah a low average of 32, oh wait i forget we have to take out any match that he doesn't take wickets in cus, they must not be turner if Giles doesn't take a wicket

did you watch either of those 2 games then?
bangalore was a seamers paradise, in what was english weather( the sun didnt come out for a week).
harbhajan and kumble combined picked 1 wicket in that entire game.
and if you managed to watch the 3rd test in SL you would have realised that it was dead flat.

 

[tooextracool]

5 games is not much, especially for someone who is rated as a 'very good' bowler on turners.

thats absolute tripe 5 is a signifcant amount of games won on turners considering how many games hes played on turners, and how many games hes nearly won and saved them in.

 

[social]

you can call him whatever you want, fact is that when hes up against a quality spinner on a turner the number of runs that he scores decreases significantly.

No, it only occurs in India - elsewhere he is dominant.

 

[chaminda_00]

did you watch either of those 2 games then?
bangalore was a seamers paradise, in what was english weather( the sun didnt come out for a week).
harbhajan and kumble combined picked 1 wicket in that entire game.
and if you managed to watch the 3rd test in SL you would have realised that it was dead flat.

The 3rd test where Sri Lanka won by an innings and Murali and Chandana got 9 wickets @ 22.55. Yeah it wasn't a turner, are you sure you watched that game??

I give you Banglaore, but even there Sarandeep Singh got 3/54.

It still doesn't make his average low in Asia, on pitch that have turned.

 

[social]

yes after they absolutely smashed him all over the park. odds are that if your a spinner, no matter how poor you are, and you bowl 22 overs on a minefield of a wicket, you're bound to get a batsman out eventually.



and took 5/29 in the 2nd and won the game for india. hauritz lost the game for australia.

Haurritz did not lose the game for Australia, the batsmen did.

At the end of the day, Aus had to score 100 to win and failed - they only have themselves to blame.

Haurritz showed inexperience not lack of ability in the second innings. However, Clarke's return should have guarantted that the result was little more than a formality.

 

[chaminda_00]

thats absolute tripe 5 is a signifcant amount of games won on turners considering how many games hes played on turners, and how many games hes nearly won and saved them in.

There hasn't really been that many games that he has saved or nearly won either, if there were then his average would be lower then 30 in Asia, considering their only really been one pitch that wasn't a turner.

 

[aussie]

Haurritz did not lose the game for Australia, the batsmen did.

At the end of the day, Aus had to score 100 to win and failed - they only have themselves to blame.

Haurritz showed inexperience not lack of ability in the second innings. However, Clarke's return should have guarantted that the result was little more than a formality.

Clarke's return also showed that the Mumbai pitch was an absolute shocker

 

[tooextracool]

No, it only occurs in India - elsewhere he is dominant.

yet his average fell to 33 the last time he played in SL. hes had one dominant series in SL. thats it

 

[chaminda_00]

yet his average fell to 33 the last time he played in SL. hes had one dominant series in SL. thats it

And his only played SL twice in SL he had one dominant series and one average series.

 

[tooextracool]

The 3rd test where Sri Lanka won by an innings and Murali and Chandana got 9 wickets @ 22.55. Yeah it wasn't a turner, are you sure you watched that game??

and murali is incapable of taking wickets outside of turners is it? i mean how is it a surprise that he bowled well on a flat wicket? hes a very good bowler.
chandana took 2/100, wow what a brilliant performance.

I give you Banglaore, but even there Sarandeep Singh got 3/54.

It still doesn't make his average low in Asia, on pitch that have turned.

sarandeep was fortunate to get most of those wickets. especially, the absolutely disgrace of an appeal for obstructing the field of michael vaughan.

 

[tooextracool]

And his only played SL twice in SL he had one dominant series and one average series.

yes and hes failed in several series in india. so overall hes only ever had 1 good series on turners.

 

[tooextracool]

Haurritz did not lose the game for Australia, the batsmen did.

At the end of the day, Aus had to score 100 to win and failed - they only have themselves to blame.

Haurritz showed inexperience not lack of ability in the second innings. However, Clarke's return should have guarantted that the result was little more than a formality.

theres 2 sides to a coin, australia wouldnt have had to score 100 if hauritz hadnt managed to give away 89 runs. and with a lead of 100 runs, on a wicket like that, id say that letting india get 200 was an extremely poor bowling performance, especially when they only got 104 in the first inning.

 

[archie mac]

bytoextracool im sorry, anybody who thinks that hauritz is anything other than the worst spinner ever picked by australia, is seriously out of their mind.[/QUOTE]

I hope this is not based on you seeing him bowl in ONE Test, anyone picked for the No.1 team in the world is a class act.
As for Ponting not doing well on a turner, I don't think you will find to many players ave. going up on turning pitches.
Besides I have heard this all before with Martin supposedly being unable to handle spin bowling.
You will all so have to let me know how you decide on what constitute a turner? At the moment it seems to be, if Giles succeeds its a turner and if he fails its a flat track.

 

[tooextracool]

There hasn't really been that many games that he has saved or nearly won either, if there were then his average would be lower then 30 in Asia, considering their only really been one pitch that wasn't a turner.

dont being ridiculous. you seem to have a fascination for dismissing every subcontinental wicket as being spinner friendly. hes played on 13 turners in his career(not counting b'desh), and won 5 of those games. which is a significant number in itself.