because now only 5 wicket hauls win games is it? where did you come up with that now? his 18 wickets in the first 2 tests against the WI won england the game. his 4/46 against NZ at trent bridge won england the game. his 16 wickets in the first 2 games in SL saved england from defeat, his 7 wicket in the 3rd test in pakistan won england the game. but then again hauritz has done all of that hasnt he?Scallywag said:
Is he accurate yes, that and his ability to drift the ball away from right handers is all he has. Your right about the other two things, but he is accurate, that why he is decent 1Day bowler.tooextracool said:
so im obviously missing something when his ODI ER stands at 5.13? no hes not the most wayward bowler either, but he doesnt bowl with the pin point accuracy that you'd expect any quality spin bowler to do.chaminda_00 said:
yet the ODI bowling average has absolutely no relation to accuracy.chaminda_00 said:
He only played 8 ODIs, his List A E/R of 4.7 shows his fairly accuarte. If you take out ODI it goes down further. I never said he was quality, that was someone else, but he is fairly accuaratetooextracool said:
how is an ER of 4.7 supposed to be anything other than poor?chaminda_00 said:
Who are you talking about Haurtiz or Vettori, surely Haurtiz, but you quoted something about Vettoritooextracool said:
Look at other spin bowlerstooextracool said:
An average of 37 after 45 tests to me does not suggest a good spinner. As Clarke displayed on some days anybody can get a bag of wickets just by bowling. Giles has played 45 tests which would suggests that he would have had a few of those games under his belt. Anyway all he has to do is take wickets and really trouble the Australians like Vettori has then I will have to say he's good. But I dont think that will happen.tooextracool said:
hauritz obviously, what has vettori got to do with this argument?chaminda_00 said:
how many of those have played international cricket?chaminda_00 said:
please, show me where i've said that hes a good spinner?Scallywag said:
did you watch that game at all? even you and i could have bowled spin on that wicket in the 2nd inning and picked up wickets.Scallywag said:
the odds of that happening outside of a turner are very slim, on a turner the odds are extremely high. certainly someone whos caused the indian and Sri lankan batsmen who are far better players of spin than the australians on turners shouldnt have too many problems against australia on a turner?Scallywag said:
I don't care about Haurtiz, all i was trying to piont out that he was fairly accurate, not that he had great accuarcy. You seemed to miss the point, oh well.tooextracool said:
Come on TEC Giles hasn't really caused India or Sri Lanka that much trouble on turners, he averages 33 aganist them in Asia. he had the odd good game, but that is about, he doesn't really cuase as much trouble as you seem to be saying. He only caused Pakistan major threat on turners. You could argue that Australia are better players of spin then Pakistan, so i doubt he would cause them that much trouble on even turners. He would be more effective but thta about it.tooextracool said:
how did i miss the point? you said that he was a good ODI bowler with his ODI ER of 5.38 at an average of 53. then of course you brought up his fabulous list A ER which is 4.7 odd.chaminda_00 said:
i said giles wins games for england on turners. i know vettori is a better bowler than giles, and a better match winner.chaminda_00 said:
no if you analyse it according to the turners hes played on its a different story. the only turner hes played on in india was at ahmedabad which was a slow turner, where he took 5 wickets at 24.80. even his overall average in india - 33 is far better than both warne and murali.chaminda_00 said:
On what turners has he won games, in 25 Test that England have won with him playing he only had 6 games that he taken more then 5 wickets. He also had 15 games that he taken 3 or less wickets in the game. In Asia in the 5 games that they won he had match figures of 7/132, 0/105, 6/70, 1/99, 0/13. I would give him 6 maybe 7 games that he won for England and only two have been on absolute turners.tooextracool said:
